How to move...to Netherlands
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- hellogoodbye
I'm a bit lost on how to do this...
I want to go back to school to complete my Masters in Design....in the Netherlands!Also I would like to work part-time as well even if the wages are low (at least I will gain some experience abroad). Any advice on how to do this?
Thanks!
- jfletcher0
I was also thinking of moving there... although my route was to get a job with a company who would sponsor a visa. Although I'd love any advice from people who have done it.
- hellogoodbye0
I imagine the hardest part is to get a citizenship.
- It takes five years of un-interrupted stay in the Netherlands before you can apply.Continuity
- iCanHasQBN0
I'm looking to move there sometime early next year. Dying to be there actually. I've bookmarked these useful sites...
http://www.ind.nl/EN/verblijfwij…
http://www.ind.nl/en/algemeen/br…
http://www.newtoholland.nl/immig…
http://amsterdam.usconsulate.gov…
I've read on some sites that you need to know the language before you can get a real job. Also, they will not give you a job that a Dutch person can do, unless your job requires strict qualifications and no other Dutch persons applying are able to fill that position. Don't know if this is true. Some things I've heard are very discouraging, but I need to make it happen.
Good Luck.
- ukit0
Why do you need to make it happen?
- Jurre0
hi, if you work for an international ad agency or firm, dutch is not really required. I've met many people from around the world working in these firms. Some companies like Blastradius (last time i was there) have mainly English speakers, it's a Canadian company.
But getting a citizinship is a different matter, you need to pass some courses, get a company to help you or marry someone ;-). The citizinship is quite hard to get nowadays i've heard.
Good luck with moving, at the moment the industry is booming again here, more work than people from what I experience the last couple of months. Many companies have the greatest diificulty finding experience interaction designers and interactive art directors. Print, i don't know.
- georgesIII0
I would advice you to learn the language as soon as you can,
don't be the trustfund douche bag, I've seen all over the world who only hang out with people from their country and never get to learn anything during their stay.I would advice you to try and come on a tourist visa, you got 3 months if I remember, look around, for job, appartment and free dutch courses for foreigners.
Once you've done your first three months luckily you've have a better idea if you want to stay or not. and don't forget to not be a dyke (dutch humour)
- We've got a strange kind of humor... ;-)Roberthannink
- learning Dutch is greatly appreciated and probably will increase your changes yep :-)Jurre
- And Dutch isn't all that impenetrable as a language. It's intimidating at first, until you start to see similarities with other languages.Continuity
- ... languages.Continuity
- Continuity0
If you're going to the Netherlands for school and you get accepted, getting a student visa is fairly easy and - if I recall correctly - it allows you to work part-time ... although, I believe there are certain stipulations there, such as only being able to work at the university, or something. I don't remember the specifics, but the information is widely available on the net.
Once you finish your studies, I believe you're given a certain amount of time in which you can look for work in the country, then you're given a knowledge migrant residence permit, which entitles you to work for whatever employer wants to hire you (they take care of the permit paperwork).
- Continuity0
Since you're in the US, you might also want to consider this:
- autoflavour0
marry a dutchie
- ethandmarquis0
You don't need citizenship as an American you can get the Dutch American Friendship Treaty. With this you can start a freelance business and work in the Netherlands. I'm doing the same now. Pretty easy actually fill in the application, write a BRIEF business plan and deposit 4500 euro into a dutch bank account (submit bank statement showing this), register with the Chamber of Commerce (KvK) and that's it. The Dutch are VERY Americanized and really cut us a lot of slack.
- I hope this is true, because I am really jazzed now. This topic is something I've been researching.iCanHazNTC
- ethandmarquis0
Oh, and after five years of doing this you can get citizenship. But you have to learn Dutch first. The only hangup is that you have to give up your American citizenship.... So that's not an option so you can marry a Dutch person to avoid that.
- I thought NL recognised dual citizenship?Continuity
- Nahh, they changed the laws here. The government is actually in a state of flux right now. You can marry a Dutch citizen and get citizenship without giving up your original. I have researched this.ethandmarquis
- whereRI0
where u from hellogoodbye? US?
- Leigh0
I just moved here about two months ago.
- Yeah, but you have the benefit of being an EU citizenship, nice like the rest of us poor North American schleps.Continuity
- *not likeContinuity
- oh hi! whereabouts? amsterdam?whereRI
- Don't be a hater. even as EU your still need to apply for residency and wait like the schlepps.ethandmarquis
- i have eu and didnt have to do that. just bit of admin. but @cont - its a nightmare to get into states for uswhereRI
- Continuity0
With the sheer number of us wanting to move to NL, maybe we should think about getting together and starting an agency. :D
- ethandmarquis0
LOL. är du dansk eller americansk?
- Canadian, eh?Continuity
- Oh Canada, our home and native land .....ethandmarquis
- Etc, etc, etc, true north strong and free, yadda, yadda, yadda :PContinuity
- hej marquis!akrokdesign
- Hej! svensk, dansk eller norsk??ethandmarquis
- georgesIII0
I will laugh the day I read the Headlines and it goes
"American designers secret plan to bring democracy to Netherland"
- Gizz0
Do you all guys want to move to the NL? Can you explain me why? is there more work arround here or do Dutchies lack design skills?
BTW. I am a Dutch citzen myself (born and raised)
- That's what I am wondering, why?ukit
- It's a fanstic environment, both professionally and for living, IMO. I really felt at home there.Continuity
- its EASY living here. good money . good work. concentration of ridiculously hot woman ...etc etcwhereRI
- janne760
The Netherlands is still in a severe financial crisis, even though there are signs for things to go better. just yesterday i heard a previously quite successfull company in this region is on the verge of bankruptcy.
a lot of companies that i've seen who on the outside seem to be "forward thinking", "intelligent" etc. are really surviving most of the time on shit jobs and very average hush hush gigs... what i am trying to say is: do not expect TOO much from this country. Lots of overeducated people are out of jobs here, or are working far below their skill. DTP-Joe's however still get work..
sorry to bring that bad news.. good luck. and mail me if you need more help..
also, watch this stupid youtube, we need views, thanks and sorry for spamming.. :/
- Really?? Have been getting great gigs here that actually pay more than NYC.ethandmarquis
- well, than NYC must be really horrible.janne76
- i havent felt any hint of recession for past yearwhereRI
- ethandmarquis0
Nice place to live. I live in the Old South along Vondelpark. The rent is not bad and the people are nice – minus the shitty weather. But there's always and cheap ticket to somewhere warmer in Euro. The people are sometimes a bit corny but good-spirited tho :)
- VERY shitty weather today.janne76
- cheaptickets.nl is your friendContinuity
- I know!! Var bent je?ethandmarquis
- southwestjanne76
- hi! im on the nassaukade...
when we doin qbn amsterdam drinks?whereRI
- janne760
citizenship is harder to get yes. even thoughn it's meant to be harder toward poor migrants and muslims, thanks to this idiot:
- Oh, Geert, you doofus.Continuity
- yepjanne76
- hahaha great pic of himwhereRI
- How's letting in anyone who wants in a good idea to maintain a country?raf