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- ukit
At what point in applying for a job do you expect this to come up? I always figured during the interview but I've also had some companies require sending salary requirements as part of the application.
Which I don't mind, it seems dumb to waste time preparing for an interview when the job pays less than you expect. What do you think?
- bigtrick0
i agree. waste of time for everyone if salary expectations are not in line.
- JSK0
Never send them your salary.
- Never send them your real salary.Ranger
- Or any salaryJSK
- Yea clearly throw 20% on top for wiggle roombyDefault00
- byDefault000
Agreed - & in the case that you come in lower then what they were willing to pay you at least get the figure you were looking for.
- ukit0
Obviously, some companies simply post the salary range with the job description but a lot of them don't.
- identity0
sending them your salary request, for me, describes the kind of company they are; one that is more hung up on the bottom line than paying for good talent. Obviously, asking too much for your skillset will knock you out, regardless, but if you ask for what you're worth, and the company has it in them to hire you based on this - they won't ask you what you want to be payed.
JSK is right.
- Well if the job asked to send salary and I really was interested obviously I'm going to play along with what they want.ukit
- Nope. Leave that form blank. If they insist, maybe, but not until then. Many people don't say.mnmlst
- they're job is to get you and your talents for as CHEAPLY as possible. Don't give them any more info than you need toidentity
- JSK0
Sending real salary obviously is your disadvantage but over shooting without gauging what they are willing to off will make them not even consider you.
- but would you want them to 'consider you' make you go for an interview, etc... when they are thinking to pay half of what you make or ask for? I think it's better to know at contact...OSFA
- make or ask for? I personally think it is better to know at initial contact
OSFA - IF money is the most important thing, sure why not.JSK
- love is the most important thing! ;)OSFA
- maikel0
If you are in good money there's no crime letting them know. they will know that unless they are willing throw some money in, you won't be on board.
Best thing to do is to talk about salary range (that works well for clients/projects). We all can be flexible; and if you are desperate probably you won't get the job anyway.
Example:
My salary now ranges from X to Y plus bonus. I would expect to earn at least (Y+25%) but we can discuss the figure based on dedication required, extra benefits, etc.
- vespa0
It can be awkward if they don't at least give you a ballpark figure first.
I've gone for an interview before, then asked in the interview what the salary is and it's gone awkward, "we'll email you about all that", then they've said they liked my stuff and asked me back for another interview, asking what my current salary is -- but when I told them they freaked out going wooooahhhh that's way too much etc. awkward for everyone and a waste of time.
- ukit0
I guess part of the problem is that pay for the same kind of work varies so much in our industry. I want to say moreso than others, although don't really have proof of it..
- hopefully that is starting to change little by little...SigDesign
- pretty much, some places really fuck their staff over pay wise.PIZZA
- well staff I mean designers, other people can be wayyyy overpaidPIZZA
- This isn't a bad thing, certainly not a problem.raf
- <- I mean, wide salary variabilityraf
- Some companies pay shit money, some pay good money for the same thing. Your job is to get to the latter type.raf
- True raf, good pointukit
- monospaced0
Name: Jim
Job Title: Sr. Web Designer and partner
Location: Detroit, MI
Salary/Income: 190k/year and some company benefits- this is what I always tell themmonospaced
- it was inevitablebigtrick
- hahaukit
- fxone0
JSK has the >
- bulletfactory0
my wife just accepted a position a few minutes ago. Salary was not discussed until after they offered the position to her. She politely said she'd need to think about it, then negotiated upward. After she knew they wanted her, she had the upper hand.
- vaxorcist0
They should fall in love with you first, then they will be about to make an offer with a range, you grunt a bit and stare into space, saying nothing, then they raise it a bit and you ask for a bit more vacation or a bigger monitor and ask for $3k more or so, they sit and stew for a while and give you $2k more.... then you shake hands...
this of course worked during good economy.... nowdays, who knows....
- JSK0
mnmist
did that photo meet up ever work out?
- nah, it degraded into the typical off topic banter. good for a laugh though.mnmlst
- I didn't push it hard though, I figured anyone really interested would drop me a line.mnmlst
- lets geek out on camera. argue about which brand is better, talk about whats the latestJSK
- i was more interested in technique, lighting etc. Don't care so much about gear talk.mnmlst
- do you shoot?mnmlst
- fxone0
is 90k a good salary?
- twokids0
you need to listen to Vaxorcist and JSK and people like that. You don't talk money until they want to give you the job.
Vaxorcist: "They should fall in love with you first" - assuming you are there to actually get the job and not just waste people's time - it's much more important to establish that you and they are a good fit - and your job as potential employee is to lie and smile and tell them you will work all night and love their company - and once they say yes! you are the one! then you do what Vaxorcist says.
Plus, again, assuming you are there for a reason - how important is the exact salary really? A few thousand here or there vs. what? loving what you do? Walking to work? Getting to do things you always wanted to do?
Bringing up money early in the process can just mess it all up.
- orrinward0
I wish I had a salary. Anyone in London looking for a junior?
- junior what? ; Pmnmlst
- bacon w/ cheeseericcampbell
- Designer, Graphic or Web really. I'm pretty versatile.orrinward
- baconatorhellojeehae
- Never refer to yourself as "junior", nobody looks for that even if they view you that way...NONEIS
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