Ban the Burqa?
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- airey0
a well made bbc world service doco about the issue, featuring a woman who wears it even though her husband wasn't really for it.
- SlashPeckham0
French politics always moves to the right whenever the French way of life is under threat - on this occasion its economic reforms... they are sooooo predictable. It probably wont happen (its illegal and infringes on freedom of expression) and if it does then there will inevitably be a backlash in the rest of the world against France.. more unnecessary bullshit that sells newspapers... isnt it still a choice to dress like a freak...?
Freedom Fries anybody?
- davebellechique0
personally i dont like veils, niqabs or burqa's. dont like the sight of a walking iglo tent on the street. but why all the fuss against women.
instead of banning this thing governement should install programs to make women aware that they are persons who can decide whatever they want, that they shouldnt be oppressed and manipulated by their husband they HAD to marry. these backward mentality attitudes don't have any place in a europe that fought 2000 years for every human right we take for granted todayeducate the women, islam rennaissance and enlightment needs to come from the women and girls, them, who really run things, not the flock of men who drink tea all day in a salon de thé
- As wonderful as that would be, consider (honor-killings or just the good ol face-acid) the fate of those women that do decide what they want.Peter
- ...what they want.
Mind, as far as I know the honor-killings and acids are more common in Europe than the States.Peter - States.
Man that horrible braking made mePeter - davebellechique what you said has nothing to do with the enlightenmentSlashPeckham
- he's saying a new enlightenmentukit
- bigtrick0
and with the posting of the camel picture, i declare myself done with this thread, as i have said all i have wanted to say on the subject, and any tosser that goes on to defend the ban should look into their hearts and see the dirty little xenophobe living inside.
seeyall!
- dyspl0
too many good reason in both banning or allowing burqua to simply stand on 1 side and pretend it's the right thing to do IMO.
One thing tho, sacarabin, "muslims don't outlaw striped shirts and cigarettes so the french should shut the fuck up"
I would be curious to see what would happen to an average occidental girl walking in the street dessed like this
let say in pakistan?Not saying that's an excuse to ban it in our country, just your argument that is not valid.
- making laws removes the will of the subject. let the subject be stupid on their own if they want.scarabin
- ukit0
^Exactly. It's not as though Muslim countries don't make oppressive laws or anything.
Why do we get worked into a frenzy over a comparatively minor restriction in France?
- Amicus0
I'm far, far from a racist. I've got friends from varied backgrounds including christians, jews, moslems, hindus and buddhists.
I just think societies should be able to control their culture to some extent. Sure, embrace different faiths, foods and backgrounds, but we wouldn't tolerate stoning or honour killings in western countries and most conservative religious countries wouldn't accept our standards of dress or sexual and gender based freedoms.
- btw... I'm agnostic.... neither religious nor atheist.Amicus
- lowimpakt0
Men thinking they are liberating women by restricting a woman's choice.
Way to go France you ignoramus.
- lowimpakt0
I wonder what people would be saying if Israel banned the veil?
- arminwerk0
Yeah, while they're at it, they should ban piercing in the face, tatoos in the facem mustaches and everything else people choose to wear in or on the face. C'mon where did democraty go???
- boobs0
OK. I've got the solution:
cover the face, but leave the vulva completely uncovered.
- neue75_bold0
I like living in Fitzory and all, but I'd welcome the burqa over half the absolutely ridiculous hipster outfits worn in hopes of ones own 'personal expression' any day... But to each his own... Amicus has made many good points here, and I agree with most of it, it's just hard to know where to draw the line in the sand in what rights the state has the power to either limit or completely remove, and I tend to think it lies in common sense.. fundamentally, I don't feel that it's up to the (young) western world to condemn long standing religious or cultural ideologies because it doesn't jive with what's 'right' as we've determined in first world nations.. of course stoning and honour killings are terrible and wrong, but according to a large majority of the worlds population, so is eating meat...
- but even young western world should have some say over community behaviour?ribit
- indeed...neue75_bold
- ukit0
What difference does it make which is younger or older? Western ideals of personal freedom are pretty young too, does that mean dictatorship and monarchy have more credibility somehow?
- I'm not saying I'm right, it's just the way I feel..neue75_bold
- +1 As difficult as that was logic is to hard to disagree withFredMcWoozy
- Democracies always failed, monarchies will survive. I'd say his is why Brits (Commonwealth in general)...raf
- keep the Monarchy. Just in case the democracy experiment fails.raf
- hahaha, the Queen will get back behind the wheel?ukit
- benfal990
Ignorance. Pure ignorance.