15 year old shot in the head...
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- ceiling_cat0
Sounds like a bunch of thugs I wouldn't want in this country anyway.
- lowimpakt0
it's really really sad that people somehow think that a kid deserves to be shot in the face for throwing rocks at a policeman.
it's also deeply insulting that people can brush away a murder by saying that a kid they don't know anything is about is a thug/drug dealer/illegal.
you'd need to be a massive asshole to not be worried about any teenager being murdered by an authority figure. regardless of their race/class or creed
- It's Customs Border Patrol not Police. If it was Texas police I'd expect all the kids shot dead.e-pill
- BattleAxe0
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20…
"U.S. national Bobbie McDow said she watched the group of teenagers from the middle of the Santa Fe Bridge, which spans the border and has two security checkpoints at either side. The teens, who had no weapons or backpacks, were playing a "cat and mouse game" McDow told the Journal, by trying to make it to the U.S. side and back to Mexico without being caught.
McDow said that two Border Patrol agents saw the group and chased them—and that one of them, riding a bicycle, caught one of the suspects and pinned him down. She said that the same agent then fired shots into Mexico, where the other boys had run. McDow said one of the teens had thrown rocks at the agent, but that Hernandez hadn't.
McDow's husband, Raul Flores, told the Journal that he'd seen Hernandez emerge from behind a pillar on the Mexican side of the border with his hands up before the agent shot him, first in the shoulder and then in the head."
- DrBombay0
Anyone care to change their opinion?
- gabe0
i wonder what the reaction of the US would be if the tables were turned and a mexican border patrol agent shot an american teenager in the face (under similar circumstances).
- plash0
Shit like this happens in Chicago all the time.
always seem to be a little kid playing around minding their business.
on 5.25.10, something like 19 people were involved in some gun related violence.i know it's off subject but i find the idea of "thugs you wouldn't want in the country" ridiculous. they are already here.
- PonyBoy0
Given the shit that goes down w/those gangs on the border - is it really smart for those teenagers to be playing 'cat and mouse' games w/the fucking border patrol?
No... I don't change my opinion... ... the kids need some fucking discipline - and this shit wouldn't happen.
Anytime a human being loses their life I'm pissed... but you can't tell me that the border patrol knew what these kids were up to... the kids put their own lives at risk w/stupid games like that.
I blame the parents... and Mexico... ... not the border patrol. None of that shit would have went down if A.) Mexico gave a shit about their people.. B.) The kids had some discipline.
Again - how many Canadian kids are fucking around on the border etc etc... ? Oh wait - none.. because their country provides and cares for their people... ... and their system of family support is far better intact.
For this shit to stop... Mexico needs to step up - both the Gov. AND the people... ... start showing a bit of respect for their own lives and well-being and we wouldn't EVEN NEED the border patrol.
- I guess that kid got disciplined.DrBombay
- //yes - that's exactly the kind of discipline I'm talking about... ... dork.PonyBoy
- Every opinion you have is based on the fact that you are white.DrBombay
- No - my opinion comes from being in a country that's obviously flawed but also has plenty of good tradition...PonyBoy
- ... including family values.PonyBoy
- It would be better without Mexicans, right?DrBombay
- Once again - you can't help but show what a racist you are, Rick... you have to include it in everything you talk about.PonyBoy
- You generalize the entire country of Mexico and say they have no family values or discipline. You know that right?DrBombay
- jesus!... where did I say it would be better w/out mexicans?? All I said is they need to step up on their end, you fucking racistPonyBoy
- But I am the racist?DrBombay
- You said Mexico needs better family values and discipline, right?DrBombay
- I generalize THE BORDER issues you DICK... Mexico needs to take care of their border towns.PonyBoy
- you twist shit so disgustingly...
... that I now can't be bothered to reply anymorePonyBoy - You are really just projecting your racism onto meDrBombay
- Hey QBN. Is kOna's new name PonyBoy. The arguments here is nostalgic.e-pill
- gabe0
if you watch the news enough it's hard to truly have much hope for humanity. i try to be optimistic, but man...seems like things just continually get worse.
- world is getting smaller.plash
- Don't watch the news. No really. I stopped and the world is a better place.TheBlueOne
- lowimpakt0
"the kids need some fucking discipline "
blaming the victim.. real smart.
- they wouldn't be victims if they had a bit of self discipline... YES I blame those who fuck w/authority.PonyBoy
- and his parents, and his country. everyone bar the murderer that pulled the trigger.lowimpakt
- yep... blame the guys who put up w/violence everyday... that makes sense tooPonyBoy
- Man, you really hate fucking Mexicans a lot, huh?DrBombay
- if they can't put up with the situation they need another job. Murdering kids isn't on the job description,lowimpakt
- BonSeff0
I lived in El Paso for a year and grew up in Las Cruces, been to Juarez a lot growing up. That community is dirt poor. Their family values aren't exactly up to par to be comparing our values. Ffs, in the winter time you can see them burning their own houses to stay warm. you think their parents are gonna ground them for playing near the Rio? gimme a fucking break man
- gabe0
if i got shot in the face for every time i so much as tempted the patience of LEOs when i was younger...well, let's just say it wouldn't be a pretty sight.
using deadly force against unarmed teenagers wielding rocks is absurd...it's not discipline, it's murder.
here's a thought: perhaps the officers could have simply stepped back and moved out of throwing distance?
- sigg0
"At 50-60+ feet and running away there is no way the agent was aiming for his head. His heart rate is probably elevated, running on adrenaline, holding one of the immigrants down shooting at him after he threw a rock. I don't justify it but I doubt he was aiming for the head. Also I doubt at that distance he could instantly tell the kid was in fact 15, and not older "
ADDITION BELOW:
There seems to be a bit of a conflicting report. While watching the video posted in the first post look at the video still below...
With all that I said above, a stone was just thrown at you and now you see a person (pictured in the upper left hand corner of the image) with his right arm at his side, left arm extended pointing at you... again, what do you do?
- He didn't appear to come out with his hands up did hesigg
- that picture reminds me of a scene from "running man". scary day and age we're ingabe
- Apparently you shoot him in the head.DrBombay
- Killer drop in. Way to add to the conversation DrBombay. Put another book on your soapbox so you can be a bit higher please.sigg
- PonyBoy0
I love how you guys are taking my word 'discipline' and using it as if I'm talking about the kind of discipline the border patrol 'applies'...
... I'm talking about Parents disciplining their children... giving a shit about their families and fellow countryman... ... if they just started to give a shit there would be a lot less stress on that border
- DrBombay0
Who shot who?
- There is only one side to your discussions, thus, debating with you is a waste of time.sigg
- You'll never open yourself up to the possibility that you may be wrong. Ever.sigg
- Hell, you can't even bring yourself to "think" about the opposing view so why bother?sigg
- This would be a good indication why more and more no one responds to you in your notes.sigg
- The opposing view being "shooting unarmed kids"?DrBombay
- (see above) minus of course this instance where I'm only stating how pig-headed you are.sigg
- It's that black and white huh? The agent just pulled his gun and shot for no reason, all variables are pushed aside.sigg
- That's why.sigg
- End of conversation.sigg
- //it's obvious that the border agent is a racist... and enjoys killing childrenPonyBoy
- Kid throws rock, border agent shoots kid. It's the kid's fault. Then the kid may have never even thrown a rock. Still kids fault.DrBombay
- fault.DrBombay
- Or am I missing something?DrBombay
- whatsup0
- And had a sledgehammer? Wtf???fyoucher1
- probably made by a chinese worker who killed himselfTheBlueOne
- Just do itPeter
- gabe0
personally, i'm disgusted by the notion that i live in a country which will shoot first and asks questions later. it seems so orwellian; add to that the fact that it's practically encouraged and it becomes downright terrifying.
- BonSeff0
i think the border patrol agent simply fucked up. maybe he was having a bad day or whatever and lost it. but kids are fucking around on that border all day every day. its not a freak occurrence.
- whatsup0
The president of the patrol union maintains that the rock throwing was considered a deadly force encounter, “one that justifies the use of deadly force.” He also said the rock throwing is common.
- lowimpakt0
he can say whatever he wants.
throwing rocks doesn't warrant a bullet in the face.