Adobe fights back
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- ukit0
"Just so we can be real clear (because I see some people spouting off about shit they clearly no nothing about...), Flash IS and open standard, you DO NOT NEED THE IDE TO MAKE A SWF."
Amazing statement
- twokids0
did you all see this already? pretty interesting. makes the Apple side seem correct in their assessment of flash....
http://jeffcroft.com/blog/2010/m…
excerpts:
In the opening keynote, Ryan Stewart, a Flash Platform evangelist at Adobe, demoed Flash Player 10.1 running on his Nexus One phone. When I realized he was going to show it, I got excited — I’ve been wanting to see how well Flash really works on a phone for years.
"Here’s what happened: On his Mac, Ryan pulled up a site called Eco Zoo. It is, seemingly, a pretty intense example of Flash development — full of 3D rendering, rich interactions, and cute little characters. Then, he pulled up the same thing on his Nexus One. The site’s progress bar filled in and the 3D world appeared for a few seconds before the browser crashed. Ryan said (paraphrasing), “Whoops! Well, it’s beta, and this is an intense example — let’s try it again.” He tried it again and got the same result. So he said to the audience, “Well, this one isn’t going to work, but does anyone have a Flash site they’d like to see running?” Someone shouted out “Hulu.” Ryan said, “Hulu doesn’t work,” and then wrapped up his demo, telling people if they wanted to try more sites they could find him later and he’d let them play with his Nexus One. "and...
"Adobe is already way behind in shipping a full Flash player that works well on mobile. The natives are getting restless, as they say. A demo that crashes on everything it tries is not an effective way to gain confidence that you, as a company, are getting close to a polished product. The bottom line is that those of us who attended FlashCamp got a demo of Flash running on an Android phone, indeed — and it wasn’t impressive. We never saw an example of a site that worked without crashing under this beta version of Android. So if I were Adobe, I may choose not to demo this thing until it’s really solid. "
- ernexbcn0
@lukus_W and that's why Android exists, among other smartphones, it's not like Apple is the only player in this game, don't like that Apple doesn't allow Flash? buy another thing.
Adobe/Macromedia had a golden opportunity to turn Flash into a real standard by opening it long time ago and didn't, this whining is complete nonsense.
- ernexbcn0
@lukus_W and me pointing out that the iPhone has 3 years already was to show how irrelevant Flash has been in terms of real users need if we take into account the success it has on the market. People seem to don't bother about not getting Flash on those things. And by looking at the amount of software available at the App Store it seems many developers have been able to deploy their stuff on those devices without needing a middleware like Flash.
So what's the deal?
- ernexbcn0
In my opinion Adobe should stop whining to Apple and get their act together, prove that their mobile player is worth it and make it available to whatever smartphones want it.
If those things start to sell good, among other reasons because they support Flash, then Apple would have to eat their motives and give in. But I understand Apple motives behind not allowing the thing in the 1st place and those reasons still apply to this day.
- Miguex0
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but but.... what are you talking about?
flash works GREAT on every other mobile device ever invented,
usually it takes amazing packaging and an emotional face to face presentation for people to buy into anything apple makes..but it looks like it only took you a single text paragraph to make you believe Steve's lies.
:)
- "flash works GREAT on every other mobile device" - utterly detached from realitycomicsans
- ernexbcn0
@Miguex you can't be serious, they are showing now a beta player that *seems* to work, and it's still unreleased, what are you talking about?
- ernexbcn0
@Miguex http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/…
"ARM blames Flash, netbooks and tablets for smartbook delay"
your "lash works GREAT on every other mobile device ever invented" is nothing more than straight bullshit.
- Did you actually read that article?
it says "NEW CATEGORY" and it's not even a phone.Miguex - in fact, they are filing the article under: Laptops, Tablet PCs
did you want me to translate that in spanish for you? ;)Miguex - yeah twist it now, you said "every other mobile device ever invented" FFSernexbcn
- twist what?
http://en.wikipedia.…
I said mobile device, not laptop, not computer...Miguex
- Did you actually read that article?
- Miguex0
Look how well this "battle for app control disguised as flash is not up to par" is going...
Consumers made their choice, countless reports says:
http://www.google.com/search?cli…And this comes from a guy that has been on Apple since the performa days.
- considering there are many more Android devices is not surprising, let's see how iPhone 4G sells this summerernexbcn
- it's always future with you huh?
what about now though...
no one knows what will happen in the future,Miguex - it's like calling the game sometime around halftime, isn't it.kpl
- also: we don't talk about the future, unless you mean flash. In which, it WORKS GREAT.kpl
- comicsans0
^Miguex, the second result is "Android market share not as impressive as it looks", what point are you trying to make?
- ********0
Some of you crack me up. If you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, don't hit "Broadcast." There are "Chick of the Day" thread that you would be better served by your posts.
- Well I mangled that sentence, but fuck off anyway.********
- there are other thread you write your word to?twokids
- Well I mangled that sentence, but fuck off anyway.
- ********0
- zarkonite0
you guys realize that despite HTML5 being an open standard there is still no viable open source codec... h.264 is licensed, that's why Google has recently purchased On2 and plan to open up their video codecs as well as giving a massive cash donation to the open source Arm Theora project...
I personally think google is the only company that would benefit from a totally open web (where they can spy on us more easily).
They're both trying to get us to use their development tools.
Adobe = Apple * Ad Nauseam
- ********0
can you compile SWFs without Flash? show me
– ernexbcntwo minutes...
- Who fucking uses flash to make flash apps?!?!?! Eclipse all the way or you're a joke of a programmer.zarkonite
- http://download290.m…********
- Well, I use emacs.kpl
- awesome showcaseernexbcn
- so know you want more than proof? but persuasion? needy bitch********
- cramdesign0
Adobe will survive this and, in my opinion, they desperately need a wake up call. Their products grow more and more bloated and more and more expensive with each release. If they want flash on ipad, prove Steve wrong... jailbreak an ipad and build the player... demonstrate battery life and performance... paint Jobs into a corner and see what happens. Simply put, make a better product.
- ukit0
