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- monospaced0
^ "I'd say their current behaviour is anti-competitive."
Apple isn't stopping anyone from creating their own tablets, software developer kits, and online app stores. The competition has just started, and they happen to be winning. That's the hear of competition, isn't it?
- *heartmonospaced
- If you have one very large pike in a pond - it's likely that the large, monster pike will consume all the tiddlers.lukus_W
- Think about Microsoft and their anticompetitive web-browser case in the European courts.lukus_W
- Hey man. Seriously. Apple is only releasing a product. It's not illegal. They have competitors.monospaced
- We'll see...lukus_W
- lukus_W0
"That's called good business."
^ But good business, if it's taken to its absolute extreme - is sometimes bad for the consumer. In the case of Apple's closed platform .. their 'good business' sense, leads to lack of freedom for us.
Our lack of freedom might be a minor inconvenience now - BUT, in the future - when this computing paradigm is copied by other large corporations - it might become the standard for all computing devices. This would be an absolutely awful thing, imo.
- This is hilarious. You keep saying that Apple is shit, but you think they already have a monopoly.monospaced
- They released their product just a few hours ago.monospaced
- I just think that there should alternate App Stores available - which aren't governed by Apple.lukus_W
- They've been running this way all through the iPod and iPhones lifespans.lukus_W
- I don't know why my PoV is so controversial .. this is what I mean about Apple producing an emotive response.lukus_W
- I didn't say Apple are shit ;) jeezlukus_W
- Wow. You just don't get it. It's not illegal to open an App store online. Nobody is being stopped from doing the same.monospaced
- I'm potentially being stopped from selling Apps for the iPad though. I can only buy Apps from Apple.lukus_W
- _Personally_ I think this is wrong.lukus_W
- see comment belowmonospaced
- ernexbcn0
You are free to buy an alternate product like the JooJoo Pad or the incoming HP Slate, or the sci-fi Microsoft Courier, or the upcoming tablets based on Google Chrome OS
- How can the JooJoo pad ever compete with the might of Apple?lukus_W
- How can _any_ small company compete with Apple?lukus_W
- Easy. Create a better product. Think about this: not long ago, Apple was the underdog.monospaced
- I don't care that's their fucking problem!ernexbcn
- ^ my dodgy pike-metaphor x2 above still applies.lukus_W
- inhaler970
I really have a hard time with people saying that they should get an ipod touch. It really shows their limit in thinking about the potential something like the ipad can present. Just in Publishing itself, nytimes, wsj, wired, making interactive subscriptions for their publications I think it truly lends itself to that medium.
The ipad is truly that object between the tablet, the pc, and id even say the Ipod touch. If you want to read things or view video and the web on an Ipod touch screen, fine, go with it. But I don't want to squint and swipe my finger every three sentences to read an article or a book. Add audio and video to the equation, maybe some animation, it truly becomes dynamic media.
As far as the money goes I believe people will pay a small fee, not too high, for subscriptions. On my iphone I pay about 6 bucks for 6 months worth of McSweeny's subscription, which include video. Dude, a DOLLAR A MONTH is nothing for some entertainment. This is the new economy.
Criticize it all you want, it can be the technology of the future.
- ernexbcn0
lukus_W c'mon man you can't be serious, this is the same model as consoles and nothing has happened there:
- The console manufacturer has to authorize you to sell games for their device
- The console manufacturer gets a profit from each title sold by third parties
- The console manufacturer has to approve you as a third party developer usually involving a significant amount of money in exchange for the software development kitAnd that business has been going on for quite some time without problems or anyone complaining about "alternate app stores available"
- Is this why the PC market for games is the largest in the world?detritus
- Those games pay plenty of royalties too. It's the system. It's not truly "open" when it's tied to hardware.monospaced
- consoles is were the money's at right now detritus, PCs are only for MMOs these daysernexbcn
- people havent complain because in game world there's an alternative: PC gamesspraycan
- utopian0
Both options suck monkey balls.
- lukus_W0
I'm just trying to think how all this is going to play out in the future. What will the world be like in say, 30 years time, if we allow single corporations to have full control over a marketplace.
I think it would lead to the world being far more shit than it already is.
- Let's try it and see. I predict rainbows and unicorns.ukit
- monospaced0
Exactly, emexbcn. The fact of the matter is that a few years ago Apple had a minority share of the PC market and neither the iPhone, the iTunes/App Stores nor the iPod existed. Apple took a fucking huge risk releasing an mp3 player into the market, and did it again into a saturated phone device market. EVERY SINGLE competitor out there has had plenty of time to improve on what Apple has achieved, and in many cases they have, but you simply cannot blame them for being successful.
- lukus_W0
@emexbcn;
Re: games consoles
Recently Sony removed OtherOS support from the PS3 via a firmware update, to ensure that their games console remains closed (and unhackable).
They've _removed_ a feature that some people based their initial purchase on.
It's another example of consumer freedom being restricted to ensure their system remains closed. I think it's wrong.
- inteliboy0
what is this "closed platform" bullshit?? "lack of freedom"??
The way the hacker nerds carry on is as if Apple has created some kind of evil nazi device. Get a fkn grip.
The iPad (and these devices in general) aren't supposed to be full blown computers you know.... but are just simple devices to consume digital content. And that is okay. Really. Everything is going to be okay.
No one bitches about the xbox's closed plaform, or nintendo's, or nokia's, or all the half-assed plasticy junk tablets etc. Why? Because it just doesn't matter. Lighten up.
- Apple flavour koolaid anyone ;)lukus_W
- Wake up, lukus_W. Closed systems are everywhere. Every brand, every restaurant.monospaced
- It depresses me that anyone who's critical is labelled a crank.lukus_W
- lol. Join the club, buddy. ;)monospaced
- ernexbcn0
@lukus_W yeah I'm totally aware of the OtherOS issue with the new firmware of the PS3, that's total fucking bullshit because that was an advertised feature, and they also used that feature as an argument to try to prove that the PS3 was not a gaming device but a computing device (to get lower taxes for importing it).
What Sony should do is offer a refund to any owner of a fat PS3 who requests it, because the only option they give you to retain that functionality is lose the ability to play online, access the PSN and in the future lose the ability to play new games (that require newer firmware) and even playing newer blu-ray titles.
- lukus_W0
@emexbcn;
My point is simple: Corporations should be accountable.
This can either happen through legislation OR by forcing competition within their internally invented markets.
If I can choose where I buy my Apps or whatever - I can vote with my cash if Apple or Sony or whoever do something shit.
- I don't comprehend your logicmonospaced
- yeah but Apple hasn't taken away functionality from a device yet like in this case Sony didernexbcn
- Read about people who've had problems with the App approval process.lukus_W
- If you think Apple isn't accountable, you're on crack. Everyone has been watching their every move.monospaced
- not being approved it's not the same as what Sony did with their PS3ernexbcn
- not being approved is the same issue - a corporation calling the shots without _needing_ to be accountablelukus_W
- ernexbcn0
@detritus PC gaming is a huge market but the publishers are making money now it's on the consoles (because it's harder to pirate them). Most PC gaming studios are making console only titles now.
Blizzard and Valve are the US studios making more money on the PC now, the rest I'd say are korean MMOs and other PC games like Farmville and Facebook games
- Totally, but competing distribution platforms are available for the PC.lukus_W
- That's a good thing for the consumer.lukus_W
- PCs are not "walled gardens" like the iPad/iPhone or PS3 or Xbox 360ernexbcn
- There are SDKs and ways of publishing. Walled isn't exactly the case if there are clearly doors.monospaced
- Anyways, when you purchase that PC in the first place, royalties are going to Intel and Microsoft at some point.monospaced
- ernexbcn0
@lukus_W I read concerns about computing becoming what the iPad currently is, but I don't that will happen. Meaning you can't code an iPad/iPhone app on those devices, you still need a full desktop or laptop with Mac OS X. And content creation people will stil require modern computers with modern operating systems.
So I don't think that Windows or Mac OS X will got the App Store ever, that's working for the moment for these new devices that aren't really full fledged computers but are really capable of some of the more common computing tasks.
- and scientists, and architects, engineers, etc etc etc. both will coexisternexbcn
- lukus_W0
@emexbcn;
Yeah, but the iPad is going to work. People are going to love it, and digital content creators will love it even more (because IP can be sold successfully).
I'd be willing to bet that they'll be more classes of device produced which use the same 'App Store' model / closed-system in the future.
Anyway, I've made my points as best as I can ;)
Hopefully I am just being totally reactionary and over-the-top. I guess time will tell.
- Trust me, publishers will provide their content to other devices.monospaced
- bingoinhaler97
- GeorgesII0
@ emexbcn and lukus_w
just get the frackin thing ok, try it, if you don't like it return it,both of you just know that no matter what you chose, you'll always have friends on QBN,
*pats both of them on the back
- clearThoughts0
GEEK
- clearThoughts0
potentially distractive pair of tits on this one.
- I'll be in my bunkernexbcn
- what a dull reviewGeorgesII
- but she has great boobageGeorgesII
- Yeah - the boobs make up for her incompetence at doing a review. Would you rather have a fat, bold guy that actually knows what he's talking about?clearThoughts
- talking about?clearThoughts
- the "unboxing" videos are fucking dumb. so many people do them, as if 1 isn't enough.mg33
- whatthefunk0
I think the real issue is an additional service plan for internet for any mobile device. I'm considering purchasing this Verizon Wireless MiFi™2200 Intelligent Mobile Hotspot http://www.verizonwireless.com/b… so that I can power my ipod touch, ipad and laptop off the same hotspot compared to purchasing 3 different plans. I'll get an iphone if/when it comes out on verizon but until then I can't justify purchasing various plans for different devices. This issue bothers me.
- clearThoughts0
I'm thinking of getting one of this for when I go away on holidays...
It would connect my Macbook Pro, iPod, iPhone and iPad all in one go.