Lazy developers
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- clearThoughts0
I think that if you were writting the Markup yourself you would avoid all this issues...
How long does it take to write some CSS these days?
When I design I website, I'm already thinking what I would the markup would look like.Otherwise how can you be creative with it?
If it's not Flash, you better know what you are doing. Otherwise you are just making the job of the developers hard.
- must_dash0
When i do receive visuals they're usually as a visual guide and it's my job to design what happens in between those 4 photoshop documents. Working straight from psd's will just produce in effect a bunch of big image maps. I'm being over simplistic here to make a point.
- ukit0
You rely on the developer to slice graphics?
I don't know of many real developers that would want to do that or be good at it.
- HUH?? it's their job to slice the graphics how they see fit in order to work with their coding.iCanHasQBN
- Your saying designer isn't capable of slicing graphics? Gimme a fuckin break.ukit
- I used to slice the graphics and write out the exact spacing, margins, line-height etc. so they had no excuseukit
- why don't you just go ahead and code it at that point.MIJA
- Because the spec then served as a reference for multiple developers working on multiple pages of a projectukit
- But yea, I guess you're right, might as well build a simple prototype at that point.ukit
- You must work with some really shitty developers. You'd drive me up the wall.welded
- shitty? no. lazy, yesmonospaced
- Does it matter if they're good but lazy?welded
- airey0
it can come down to how well your communication with the developer is. they might not have much of an aesthetic eye, after all you're the designer and they're the developer. i've found that the longer you work with a developer the better the shorthand between the two of you and therefore the faster and more smooth the process.
- PIZZA0
"You rely on the developer to slice graphics?"
If you let them do it they moan about it and fuck it up,
If you do it yourself they moan that you didn't do it the way they intended to program the thing.Who you need to hire ideally is someone who wanted to be a designer but became a good developer instead because they have an eye for design. I've worked with about 3 people in my time who you could send a design to and everything would be slick and positioned correctly and animate together nicely.
Then the rest of the time I work lazy cunts.
- BoneCrusher0
PonyBoy is probably wondering why he can't use Mrs. Eaves for the body copy of his website and taking his rage out on the developer.
- PIZZA0
/\ with lazy cunts*
One time I worked with a developer who had create an email form on a piece of paper sliding out of an envelope. Now I animated all this for him but the fucking cunt was too lazy to put all his form inside the piece of paper movieclip that he instead put a fake form on that piece of paper and then floated his form on top of that when the animation was done, so suddenly all the boxes shifted about 3 pixels in arbitrary directions because the fuck couldn't even line his shitty hack up.
- BattleAxe0
lazy as in Wordpress lazy
- taxiguerrilla0
If you want your graphic on the web to look exactly as you designed it on photoshop, just export some jpg and upload it to the web.
- spraycan0
dhtml + cufon
- Stugoo0
pixel perfection makes part of the profession. ©
- PIZZA0
oh and don't get me started on whining about having to work in someone else's code. IT'S PART OF YOUR FUCKING JOB! think I like digging around in some cunts PSD file with hundreds of unnamed layers?
I accept it will take longer if its someone else's code, but whining about it every step of the fucking way or just refusing to do it and hacking something else together on top of it, FUCK OFF.
- welded0
Let's be fair and give equal time to designers who think they understand development: "can't you use includes in emails?"
- whatthefunk0
I'm not a CSS guy, more of a GUI guy but I measure the entire design and break apart each section with width and height outlines for header, nav, subnav, body, footer, etc. It helps the developer who does do CSS to make sure that it's all pixel perfect. I send over every font, all font sizes, colors, rollover states/colors, and I even measure the space between words in the nav. To be honest, if you leave your design in the hands of a developer without the above details or pure CSS then you shouldn't be surprised when it comes back all wonky, they're developers not designers.
- you're quite proud of OCD.airey
- there's the right way and the wrong way - not OCD just good designwhatthefunk
- No, that's OCD and vaguely insulting.welded
- juhls0
Arial's fine. I thought you were going to say some obscure font.
- welded0
I think the take-away here is that you guys apparently work with the worst/most junior developers in the world. I'm sorry for that. :/ A good developer will make it work and have a good reason when something won't. Keeping in mind I've had to work with many PSDs where the designer has thought they've made my life easier by plotting a hundred guides or flattened layers or not used layer comps or used off-pixel vector shapes... It goes both ways, guys.
- d_rek0
Understandably a two-way street. I can sympathize with PonyBoy here. I work with an in-house dev who is of the utmost lazy. The last site I designed I had to literally sit over his shoulder while he re-sliced up assets because what he build was so far off-spec it was frightening. He also made a large amount of stylistic changes which were way-off spec. He's a classic case of developer/designer-wannabe... which makes working with him very challenging.
On the flipside i've worked with a really great dev who delivered on all fronts and even went above and beyond to add lots of little finishing touches I hadn't thought of.
- lukus_W0
Maybe you're not paying enough? Perhaps you need a better front-end developer?
- 23kon0
"Most developers haven't developed the eye for composition and spacial harmony that designers have. "by MonNom
He's right.
If you want your graphics cut up all pixel perfect etc then do it yourself.
a designer SHOULD be doing that sort of stuff anyway.when i hand over stuff to our developers, they get jpegs of the pages, printouts of the pages with all colours/fonts/sizes marked up on it
(rather than just giving them a psd to look at and judge sizes/pixels)
and they get all the images cut up needed for the build.