True is True Returns
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- dog_opus0
I think Mr. Cina is a great artist, although not all of his stuff resonates with me personally. I will say, though, that I've seen a decent number of QBN members who truly excel in both categories (art and design).
- _niko0
^
Durer
Toulouse-Lautrec
Beardsleyprobably a hundred others.
- ckentish0
true is true is an experimental site so probably doesn't deserver the standard negative comments found on here.
Its nice to a see a great designers experimentation - and certainly Doesn't require context or explanation as someone said.
Well thats what I think anyway.
- BIGGESTDOGINTHEWORLD0
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Now I know how a rectal endoscope feels like
- sequoia0
is this some sort of inside joke?
- janne760
Typographie in America = Typography in America
http://www.michaelcinaassociates…
needs to learn how to spell before educating others.
how deep can one have its head up its own arse?
- idiotversion3
- Ever met the guy?IAmMintCondition
- Yep
walked right past me when i wanted to ask something.janne76 - idiot: a french word for fool that was adapted into american dialectversion3
- Leigh0
Whether i like the work or not, this guys doing his own thing and not following the crowd with current trends ect and for that i give him the big thumbs ups. If we don't try new ways of working then nothing will ever go forward.
- Tyler0
dude mike done did all that graphics design shit back in 95
plus he's given back and then some to the design community
remember YouWorkForThem...? free typefaces?and he never hates on other ppls work in public forums.
- tyler, tyler, tyler...
they are not dogs!
;)version3 - http://twitpic.com/y…version3
- all good, i just felt inspired to state my feelings.. mike is a talented mutherTyler
- and a very nice man as wellversion3
- tyler, tyler, tyler...
- sequoia0
- if it gets you to start criticizing then art has achieved its objectiveMeeklo
- what a lame thing to respond with. i bet you don't really believe that.jr_fartbox
- instrmntl0
i'd say maybe 4 pieces of work were good. the rest...not so much.
- IAmMintCondition0
Explore processes, create systems. I don't see enough designers taking the time to explore different ways of making.
- JoshClancy0
I can tell you first hand Cina puts a lot hours into researching new ways of thinking and new ways of creating. He's contributed an immense amount of content to the design industry over the years and his head is far from being up his own ass. There's nothing not to respect about Mike.
True is True merely documents part of Cina's processes and experiments... that's obvious. Some of you are so quick to criticize but what are you basing these criticisms on? You hate it? Why? Because it can't exist in the advertising world?
Again... "don't see enough designers taking the time to explore different ways of making."
- yes!ckentish
- He is a really good graphic designer, but this is complete shit:
http://www.trueistru…instrmntl - "don't see enough designers taking the time to explore different ways of making" too busy fucking survivingBIGGESTDOGINTHEWORLD
- janne760
The thing is, outside graphic design there's only people to be fooled. Everyone should know GODDAMN well that this only needs to serve ourselves. If "experiments" don't arrive in the minds of people who are subject of our work, it has failed. Seriously, yes i have met the two mikes years ago with their two asian "attachés", amd they didn't say a word to anyone. Too selfabsorbed in the high days of design self-wankery, i think about 2001.
Stop talking so overly "intellectual" about "experiments" that one should be able to figure out themselves.
And btw: about "nothing not to respect", you sound like a proper guido for cultivating such one-dimensional hero adoration.
In the greater scheme of our work this all sounds like over-emotional baby crying.
Grow the fuck up and develop your own skills instead of fucking worshipping others.
It's only "awesome" when you are about 20.
- Wow...JoshClancy
- i literally heard your jaw dropversion3
- QBN sucks...IAmMintCondition
- yeahjanne76
- janne760
But maybe it is a cultural thing or a personal thing. I know a lot of craftsmen and artists and graphic designers are the ones who feel like they should be the next saviours of mankind. Bullshit.
- lukus_W0
If a designer chooses to share their processes and experiments, one would assume they're doing so in the spirit of discourse and / or education.
If the viewer is going to gain any benefit from the experience, at least some explanation is required. We don't live in Michael Cina's head .. so it's difficult to understand what he's trying to achieve.
I wouldn't imagine a designer would show their experiments and wish for empty praise.
Take away 'Michael Cina' and does the work have the same appeal?
To the people who are slavishly defending the work; I'd be really interested in learning why you feel it's good. What do you like about it?
- neue75_bold0
needs more bullshit...
- janne760
I may have been harsh but design just needs motivation. Eye candy just doesn't cut it these days. Experiment is great, but much of it seems meaningless to me.
- BIGGESTDOGINTHEWORLD0
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"if a designer chooses to share their processes and experiments"
The only process going on here is the process of watching Cina taking a massive shit... in close up, HD , slow motion
- identity0
interesting comments thus far,
I think that if someone wants to experiment in image-making, discover new processes, have fun - who the hell are we to tell them it sucks? I think some of this stuff is beautiful and some of it falls a bit short, visually speaking, but I enjoy the holistic view he gives us on the basis that not everything works and its usually from misses that we can get a better view of what works.
Im sure he didnt ask to have this thrown up on the EC either, can you imagine if you all had your sketchbooks scanned and made into a webpage - and then that webpage made its way into the EC so people could just you based on your own doodlings/experiments?
It's also strange that for a forum that has a lot of designers wanting to be/idolizing the designer/artists, there doesn't seem to be a lot of leeway for non-client related experimentation or work that lives outside the space of what a "designer should do"