BNP on Question Time
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- calculator0
"Cultural Dilution" is an interesting point. I guess once every country is a homogenised melting pot of cultures, we'll have no need to travel. At least the planet will be saved.
So the BNP kill polar bears as well.
- i just think these statistics and numbers try to hide what the truth of this argument is - and its unpleasant.Khurram
- kezza_20
Seriously all central government funding is worked out on population and when you have a massive influx into an area, theres a massive shortfall.
So you end up with overcrowded hospitals, schools, GPs, Dentists, not enough refuse collection. the list is endless...
Its all about infrastructure
couple of articles:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol…
http://www.thetimes100.co.uk/add…
- lowimpakt0
kezza - " In fact I'm going to figure out how I do that right now, let you know how I get on. "
maybe look into this??
"New investment in apprenticeshipsUp to 1,125 new Apprenticeship places will be created to train 16-24 year olds for a career in the creative and cultural industries. Apprenticeships Minister, Kevin Brennan, has announced that the National Skills Academy for Creative & Cultural Skills (NSA) has secured funding to run an Apprenticeship Service, which will be available from April 2010.
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Apprenticeships offer non graduate entry routes into the sector and open up opportunities to young people who do not choose to go into higher education."
- Khurram0
And as far as i'm concerned - it's not about crime, immigrants raping white girls, gangs, employment, stealing our benefits or any of that shit - it's about cultural dilution. An innate fear of foreign people/cultures/language/traditi... and that is IT. That's ALL the immigration debate the world-over boils down to. Wanting to preserve their culture that is, what the BNP appeal to. We don't want no Diwali festivals in our schools or Yom Kippur sales in our supermarkets.
So you have to ask yourself, how much you care about "your culture" and wanting to preserve it, and "your way" of doing things.
Personally i dont' give a fuck. Your gonna die anyway, so fuck it.
- Agreed.Orbit
- Finally, the salient point from the qbn clown, but your nihilism fails to impress.Cactus
- lol, ooooh Cactus, i try so hard to impress you!Khurram
- i dont need to rape white girls - they come to me... its awesome!SlashPeckham
- Khurram0
Also, what was the problem of 700,000 polish people coming here? Someone explain me that cos i don't get why they brought that up. "You expected 56,000, but you got 700,000" - oh right, so what? Why should i care? Why should anyone care?
- because the hospital in Ealing cant cope. They work out funding based on population 2 years agokezza_2
- are you seriosu? could you link me to something regarding this?Khurram
- you just made that up kezza! lolKhurram
- and if a slice of their income pays for the health service itself anyway - are they unbalancing the equation??Khurram
- These are lies!Khurram
- calculator0
"There's always summat to do - cash in hand. All you have to do is "
wade threw human excrement to find teeth to sell."Wise words
- vespa0
"gays, goths, northerners, Canadians" hahaaa
"I would fucking love to give 3 apprenticeships to people from Blackburn."
That's a brilliant idea right there. You're clearly a creative worthy of your title!
- kezza_20
I guess there are just a lot of things that are coming to a head I suppose Vespa.
In the last 50 years the UK has had immigration that now counts for about 15% of the population. We have had the worst ressession in a long time, but also a lot of the old industries that used to employ people have gone. Unemployment back up, and now we're part of a bigger marketplace called Europe.
I always think its a shame that lots of things have gone, like Sheffield Steel and so on but I guess thats the way the cookie crumbles.
Some people will do well out of a Globalised economy, generally those who are poor in developing nations and some will see there standards of life fall like a bricklayer in Blackburn.
I guess the point is that a lot of these things are just plain happening to people and I guess no one ever asked them.
I for one am glad. I run an agency in London with 12 different nationalities, we have gays, goths, northerners, Canadians. Its a proper diverse place, working for clients in NYC, Milan, Geneva. I am so lucky to work in one of the only fucking industries with a low supply of good people. I would fucking love to give 3 apprenticeships to people from Blackburn.
In fact I'm going to figure out how I do that right now, let you know how I get on.
- Khurram0
And if there weren't ANY jobs, u'd have these immigrants wading through shit, like they do in their own countries.
- It's just British shit has a nicer scent, is why they come to it, i think.Khurram
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- vespa0
"little Indians" haha Khurram you're such a shit stirrer!
Hey in india I once saw a guy whose job was to follow a trolley that was pushing mechanical parts like pipes and massive screws and things (i'm clearly not an engineer), he had a magnet on a string and he'd pick up all the metal filings that fell off the trolley, to recylcle/sell them. People will do ANYTHING for a job if they really have to.
- Khurram0
when i was in uni i took a summer job as a steward at Twickenham rugby ground. Everyone else working with me were blacks. No jamaican blacks either, but from Ghana and that, with the accents. I don't think they were illegal, tho. Didn't get paid much, but job paid for my Spanish drug binge that year. At recruitment agency it was just me and blacks and a couple of other foreign students that wanted to be stewards at Twickenham.
My mate was white-english and he did it an'all. He's the one who told me about it actually. I think only students and immigrants want to be Stewards at Twickenham - unless you're a fan of ruby.
It's like, the people handign out Metros and London Lites outside the tube - how come they are ALL little Indians? And you know they're immigrants cos they have accents. Only Indian immigrants seem up to handing out the Metro - tho i once saw a polish bird doin it.
Once upon a time Irish people in't England used to be called tinkers - cos they used to go around mending people's pots and pans. There's not much call for that anymore cos so much of our crockery is plastic. But in Victorian times, you had these people that were Sewer dwellers who used to spend all day in sewers looking for shit they could sell - like teeth they could give to dentists and that.
Wot i'm saying is, unemployment, its a bit of a weird concept when you think about it. There's always summat to do - cash in hand. All you have to do is wade threw human excrement to find teeth to sell.
I mean if it weren't for the welfare state, we wouldn't have unemployment at all! Cos there's always summat for you to do.
- wot i'm sayin is the immigration/unemploy... concept is a false dichotomy. A MIRAGE to hide the troofKhurram
- please dont speak like that, you're far too intelligent and it distracts from your point.
a-thank you.mikotondria3
- vespa0
@ calculator
so why do all the menial jobs get filled by immigrants rather than unemployed english people? are the unemployed english going for these jobs and not getting them or are they choosing not to go for these types of jobs?
- you tell me!calculator
- well this is why people are unhappy. Years ago a builder was wealthy. no moreProjectile
- calculator0
Some good points there.
@Vespa
Isn't it just common sense to point out that if there are XX number of jobs in a country, that once those are filled everyone else will be unemployed? If "the mainstream parties say we need immigration to fill jobs" - that's clearly shite, isn't it? We need it to fill certain skill sets, we don't need more people to clear tables at KFC.As a tax payer, I don't want to support unemployed people. That's really difficult to stomach. I want everyone to work, support themselves and the country positively.
There are some serious issues developing in the UK that someone needs to get to grips with sharpish (it won't be the BNP, so who will it be).
- vespa0
I wouldn't shout at you kezza, I'm just interested in what you think.
There are equally offensive stereotypes circulating about lazy "english" people who won't do menial work -- but in all honesty all the cleaners I ever see are immigrants. Is this because there is some kind of immigrant Cleaning Mafia co-ordinating a UK wide discrimination policy against white british people?
I'm an immigrant to the UK, as well as being the daughter of english and asian immigrants to Australia, so I may well have been brainwashed into thinking that the reason people emigrate is because they have the get up and go to make better lives for themselves, and that people of said mentality will work hard in any job that needs doing, but I appreciate that 1 idea does not necessarily follow the other.
Seeing 18-25 year old people out of work is terrible, more so because a pattern set at that age has been shown to have a lasting effect on said peoples' levels of employment for the rest of their lives. I just don't know what it has to do with immigration.
- Ianbolton0
lowimpakt - i agree we can't turn immigration on and off like a tap, and I also don't really know the answer. The introduction of the points system, used pretty successfully in Australia, means they can raise and lower points as and when necessary, and in some way controlling the influx of immigrants. I'm not sure we can compare a system that works well in Australia though, looking at the size of their country to the size of ours. We need tougher measures. It's not about drawing the bridge and saying 'sorry we're closed'.
Tighter measures to ensure we know who's coming in and where they are is the only way possible. Surely if they're claiming benefits too we can decide whether they deserve them, and whether they deserve to be here.When i look at british yob culture, skin headed hooded louts drinking special brew on the street corners, it worries me. The BNP almost encourage this behaviour by not encouraging a creative forward thinking culture. Without the arts, science and proper education we can safely say this extremely diverse country will be surely screwed.
- Australia may be physically big but the reason it has a small population is due to limited resources like water.vespa
- agreed, but the amount of people i met there working illegally, cash in hand, was unbelievable.Ianbolton
- btw I worked cash in hand in Sydney for 18 months and didnt pay tax. Some fucking systemkezza_2
- i was the same, farm work for 2 months, design work in melbourne and perth for 6 month. Cash in hand.Ianbolton
- KarlFreeman0
@BIGGESTDOGINTHEWORLD I'm going to raise my hand as someone who didn't vote which I'm sure will make your blood boil, my reasoning. Not because I couldn't be arsed more to do with that I didn't trust any of the parties to vote for. I've completely lost any hope with the government but when its time to vote, trust me. I'l be voting for something that is'nt BNP( even if I don't trust any of the crooks Il be voting for )
- maybe the uprise of the BNP will encourage people to make a decision and vote. it's important.Ianbolton
- lowimpakt0
there is a need for an educational and social catch up on the realities of the sectors that are driving the UK economy - e.g. financial services, creative industries etc.
people need to be put back at the centre of politics.
there is a need for new indicators for the measurement of wealth and value in the economy. GDP is a bad indicator and has led to many of the problems the UK faces.
there is a need to break down the targets and performance related systems for the delivery of public services. This is a challeneg for government, the service delivery boodies and importantly the users of services.
there needs to be a new dialogue on quality and effectiveness.
- KarlFreeman0
@kezza_2
As someone who is 18-25 seeing my peers not working terrifies me even more. I have been fortunate to of had a good upbringing with a core value of working hard being enforced very young but I couldn't agree more with you when about the tax's. I'm paying at the moment for my peers to lounge around on benefits. Its mental, I know your feeling about someone from different backgrounds being more willing to work than an English person but there is an underlying feeling that young Britain, is benefits a Britain.