BNP on Question Time
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- isakosmo0
i think it often gets forgotten that the 'british empire' exploited hundreds of thousands to make it the country it is today
- mikotondria30
can someone in the uk set me up a vpn or a screenshare so I can watch QT ? :)
- i will. but how do you do that? and what is that?Khurram
- Khurram0
FWIW, i don't think the BNP are a threat to anyone.
The Tories tried to play the immigration card in the last election under Howard - and failed miserably. Thankfully, this country is decidedly centre-left, despite how down-trodden the BNP think the Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Danes and Norse of this country are. You know, the only ones with a right to be called "indigenous".
- kezza_20
should be interesting...
pick it up tomorrow
- Ianbolton0
how come a good percentage of the people in the UK have no interest in politics, or care about watching the news, but have strong opinions as to who should be running the country. I guess some people have better things to be doing with their lives than worrying just how fucked up things could really be.
Shame innit?
- lowimpakt0
the whole britishnees/economy/immigration debate is fascinating.
I sat through a presentation by Charles Leadbeater that showed that lots of the British Economic "institutions" (Triumph Cars, ICI, Moss Bros, Madame Tussauds, Granada and ITV etc etc) are in fact the result of immigration(s)
- vespa0
i wouldn't choose either.
people should just live and let live.
- lowimpakt0
nice one for your views Detritus.
Immigration isn't just a British debate although the structure of the immigration into the Britain reflects its colonial past.
One of the founding principles of the EU if the free movement of people and I would defend this principle to my grave.
i may be biased in this debate because I am an immigrant in the UK but i just happen to be a white western european immigrant.
- Beeachboy0
We live in a democracy, and they are democratically elected. Just because we dislike their views, that does not mean that they cannot air them. The advantage of free speech is that it encourages debate and freedom of thought, not just what one group wish them to say. As much as I loathe their politics they are free to promote their views as long as they do not incite racial hatred (which they don't) or condone violence to achieve their aims.
60million people died to save the world from Nazism (not facisim) and the over riding factor was that our life of freedom should not be impinged upon by anyone else. Just because we dislike what the BNP stand for, that does not mean that we should neuter them. They should be defeated by intellect and passion, not by idiots like the UAF who feel that they have a god given right to decide who is allowed to speak and who is not - and that philosophy is more akin to Nazism than what the BNP espouses
- mikotondria30
Despite my vehement opposition to all forms of violence and intolerance, and religious or racist bigotry, when it comes down to the massive great kick-off that Britain will become, between the chavs and the muslim teenagers, I'd choose burkahs and 5am parayer calls over burburry caps and donk music anyday.
- Didn't you leave?detritus
- i don't want either, thank you very much.hans_glib
- I did leave, but maintain family and friends and interests there.
I grew up on the biggest housing estate in europe.mikotondria3
- detritus0
I love how sure of your positions you all are - how the immigration debate has been so neatly bound to racism in its absolute form. Don't you, upon dear life, dare question the legitimacy (both accepted and implied) of Britain's great experiment with immigration over the last 50 years (oh yes, of course, we've always been an 'immigrant country', how churlish of me to ignore multiple thousand years of immigration, eh? - except it's not. It never was - we've had a handful of 'major waves' of immigration, the sum of which don't even begin to shadow the meagrest fraction of a contemporary years' allowance).
Personally, I think the immigration debate (or lack thereof) has been hijacked by over-earnest idealists and money men, who couldn't give two figs about the morality of the debate. They're only interested in pushing their own agendas - in bullying people who don't share their opinion and in maintaining lower wages, respectively.
Me? I think there are already too many people on this little island of ours, so I want an end to mass immigration. End of. I don't see how it benefits Britons themselves, and I don't see how they were ever given a voice in what is, one of the biggest questions any society should ask itself. The recently announced projections of 71m citizens in the near future terrifies me, frankly - I really, really, really don't see how sustaining so many human consumers is in our interest. Really. Population size is the rather large elephant in the room where the environment is concerned.
Oh, and as for the original question - I don't like the BNP, as they appear to be mostly filled with thugs, goons and morons - but, rightly or wrongly, they were voted in as part of the democratic process and should be allowed to have their say.
Personally, I'm curious to see how much of a societal debate it actually encourages, if any.
- vespa0
Youtube version:
- yeah, watched this. Horrible stuff.Jnr_Madison
- i wonder how it would have been had the moved into a posh area...felizfeliz
- even i would have had abuse from those tracksuit wearing kids. and i'm white english.felizfeliz
- pillhead0
This should make fun TV watching for tonight, I wonder if anyone go's ape shit. As for the BNP, will all know there sad people, with even sadder political ideas.
- vespa0
Did anyone see that Panorama report this week where 2 asian reporters went undercover on an estate? Really horrible. Don't let the BNP sidetrack you into thinking anti-racism is about taking away "non-immigrant" British peoples' rights.
This is racism -- you may think it doesn't happen any more but it's happening now, in every city in the UK. Do not be fooled by the BNP.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/epi…- i can't watch iPlayer stuff overhere, but the preview on youtube is rather shocking....bolus
- gjd0
This comment on the VICE article is what gets people supporting the BNP, and it's not a completely bad point. I hope they directly address this on Question Time tonight because I want to hear what they have to say. I live in Essex and see the BNP getting more and more popular and it's fuckin scary that majority rules might start overtaking the middle class dicks who shimmy them off with name-calling that simply drives their deviousness deeper.
-------------I know, I know, if you're racist you're a horrible person, etc - I get it, I get it.
BUT, what's happening in the UK is the government has adopted the policy of Canada and 'multiculturalism' and have put forth the view that there is no such thing as British culture, that all the immigrant cultures are just as relevant.
This is conceivable for Canada because it's a brand-new country that really IS made up entirely of immigrants.
This doesn't work for Britain, which has a genuine centuries-old culture. This is why there is enormous resentment against the immigrants who don't even TRY to adapt to local culture. It IS insulting and it doesn't make you racist.
- It's not about the BNP, its about institutional racism - the BNP is just the facegjd
- Ianbolton0
thinking about it, maybe it's time for some kind of radical movement. Let's get the BNP to sort our country out. That means major cuts in art, design, music and general cultural activities. That's all for rich upper class twats anyway.
Come on Nick, do it for the country. Really sort us out. Make us feel that true British pride. The love and passion you show your wife after drinking some foreign beer every night.
Is Nick Griffin married??
- must_dash0
Saying that Spain is being invaded by the worse people our country has to offer is just as much living up to a stereotype as the BNP saying no 'foreigners' in the UK