got a job offer today...
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- clearThoughts0
Yes - don't follow the corporate dollar boy - unless you are truly enjoying the second series of Mad Men and want to have a go at it.
- kezza_20
People who don't earn enough always say its not always about the money.
I've always chased the money because I understand there is a value to what I do ( a monetary one). I generate income for the companies I work for and I get paid a hell of a lot for doing it. I could do the same job for a third of the money, with budgets that are a third of the size on clients that are a lot smaller.
By chasing the money I have got to work on bigger and bigger things and bigger creative opportunities, increased my profile and portfolio.
But I guess ultimately you have to go with your heart.
I was told something that I have always worked with " you dont work for a company they need your services and you sell them" Dont like the price you have, move on.
- clearThoughts0
yeah - aim for both.
- gentleman0
well i'm thinking if i play the real long term game, i can probably stay here and this will TURN into the other offer (in terms of size/£££/rep).
+ saying that - i'm working today and tomorrow and i dont really feel cynical about it - so it cant be that bad. :D :D
- monkeyshine0
I think strategically it is in your interest to let your current agency know that you were given an offer that is basically double what you make and that you have loyalty to your current company and want to stay with them but this puts you in a quandary. Ask them if there is anything they can do to make you feel better about staying with them.
You said they are getting bigger budget clients, etc...if they can't bump your salary ask for a bonus structure that helps you continue to bust your butt for them.
This is business...and you need to make them aware that you are a valuable asset that is in their best interest to keep happy.
- gentleman0
yeah its a bit weird.
so here's the context.
My yearly review was late Sept. so i have JUST got a 'wage rise' - but their position is.
"because we dont have the same cash as a massive multinational shop - we cant really provide that kind of wage (yet). but what we can give you is exposure to massive brands give you the team you want and the only person you really have to report to is the Creative partner who will also act as your mentor."
but now that a new offer comes in less than a month after my review - with me having agreed that the wage offered was good, i feel like a greedy cunt going back and saying, "actually its not good enough"
just me?
- raf0
You really seem to want to stay, you're ok with half the money you could make, you're ok working weekends (!!!?)
Nobody sane after 30 would stay on that boat :)
You're young and either naive or forward thinking (and I don't mean naive in a bad way, haha).
People do free internships, treating them as free education, you are getting paid for your learning – that's a way of looking at it. Go with your intuition.If you're going to talk to your bosses about the offer you got, be cautious. Their first thought will likely be "why is he getting offers? he's been shopping for a new job!" and this could either strengthen your position or make them forever suspicious about you, depending on what type of personalities your bosses are.
- letters20
doesn't matter if its a month after or 2 days after your review. If you have another offer tempting you with certain aspects, talk to your current employer about it. Its more expensive to have high attrition rates and to replace people. If they are financially smart, they will try to find a balance to retain you.
- jamble0
Am I misunderstanding the bigger agency you mention as I thought you said were award winning. Your job title may not be the same at a bigger agency and you might have to fit into the machine a little more but I don't believe you wouldn't be exposed to good brands and bigger budgets at a bigger agency.
You're young and doing well to be on £30k at that age but I think you'd be mental to turn down a double money offer at what doesn't exactly sound shit. You'd also arguably have more potential to earn and be promoted at a bigger place.
- NotByHand0
Regardless of what you choose in the current matter, I'm sure you have an exciting and fruitful career ahead of you - having accomplished as much as you have at your age.
Congratulations.
- Dancer0
They are always going to say that: "We can't provide you with the wage".
Do what Vespa says. it will certainly depends on the feel of the place.
Also, what's to say that you take the gig and naturally rise to the top and head your own team in 8-12 months. If your a natural leader and good at managing your workflow then your peers will see this.
I would personally go with the £, look after number 1....
They wouldn't think twice about fucking you over
- raf0
I would listen to my instinct.. and being a healthy one it would whisper "go for the money".
But that's me, my time is my most valuable asset and if I were asked to work weekends (or evenings for that matter) I would be long gone. If I were asked to work weekends (or evenings) for free... oh boy oh boy...
- raskolnikov0
I'd be amazed if anybody would actually go through with paying someone under 25 £60k.
- It's only his boss asking his golf buddy who owns the big agency to give an employee a loyalty test :)raf
- indeed LOLraskolnikov
- hahaha imagine!gentleman
- gentleman0
yeah Rasko. also my thoughts.
i can imagine its more like a bait.@raf - i dont really mind working weekends. its not really "work" its still in a fun stage, experimental and the crew i hang out with here is pretty mellow and easy to get on.
to be honest we'd probably be goofing off in town.. i guess w're just goofing off at work.
although i'm no so naive as not to understand that the boss man is getting a completely free ride here. and when we win this pitch - he'll have done it on minimum spend :P
but the other hand to that is me saying fuck it. dick around at the weekend. come back to monday and have to cram an extra two days work in? or even risk not having the work to show when the deadline hits. i really dont mind it :)
- gentleman0
so yeah. thanks for all your advice yo! :D
ended up turning it down. they said "its on the table if you reconsider later on" - so i guess its not a total loss.
but im thinking:
if this place has catapulted me from a grad to where i am now in such a short time. - who's to know where i'll be pulled to in the next 3 or 4 years? if the curve starts to level out and i begin to plateau - then i jump. who knows what the offer will be then :D
*fingers crossed i havent just sabotaged my career!!!*
- gramme0
Here's hoping you don't get gramme'd.