487K Montreal logo
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- Andrew_D0
Luckyorphan, have you ever been to Montreal?
- hektor9110
I'm currently working on one for a city in Texas. Wish me luck.
- I liked the logo by the way.hektor911
- make sure you use patterns and the first letter of the city
Etype - that's cool. well, hot as in texas. :-)akrokdesign
- luckyorphan0
No, I think that a bunch of posters with a ten thousand dollar logo on it would do the job just as well. The city could have held a competition, or found some up-and-coming studio. Or opened it up to the schools in the city, and make it more democratic and let the people vote on who the city could award $10k to. Either way, they could have been a bit more creative on how to get a decent logo, and saved a mint in the meantime.
- you didn't just say fucking "competition" did you? fucking hell you're all over the place.marcostill
- Letting people vote on things is how you end up with shit like Toronto Raptors for an NBA team name.Andrew_D
- You're right! Down with voting!!! There's too much at stake!!! The experts must decide!!!luckyorphan
- I think the problems with government is that they are elected by people with no expertise in government.Amicus
- same problem happens with committees or competitions for logos.Amicus
- jimbojones0
meh, I'm done with this thread, arguing over the internet is pointless.
try to realize that 500K expenses for a city of montreal's size is such fucking peanuts. try to realize that while those very 500K given to one principal just like that may be a big deal, but split over all the schools or whatever in montreal it's nothing. like I said, you can get 10 teachers for that. or millions of paying tourists. try to realize that contests or crowdsourcing or school projects result in intergalactical shit nobody wants to see. try to realize that the city hopes for huge ROI and it will pay off anyway. but if you still don't realize all this you probably won't.
have fun making brands without a logo. pro bono. free.
- Yes. I'll gladly follow Milton Glaser's example. He's a bright chap.luckyorphan
- You're right. A design studio would use that money much more responsibly.luckyorphan
- marcostill0
this thread reminded me why i hate designers
- Yes! We agree!luckyorphan
- They get so mad over something so insignificant.luckyorphan
- no, they're the biggest fucking hypocrites, for the most part. not too mention a very jealous bunch.marcostill
- akrokdesign0
LA don't need a logo, they got luckyorphan. lol.
- Etype0
They prolly make way over that in tourism anyway
- noneck0
I'll toss one more Government contract anecdote on here.
A few years ago, my partner and I were asked to put together a proposal to redesign a complete website for a provincial government. Not for a government agency, but for the entire government. This province had a GDP of over $235 BILLION at the time.
They told us that the budget for the project was $10,000. In total.
They also told us that they new that the budget was completely out to lunch, but since this was a high profile job, tough shit.
Governments don't just pass out big contracts. When they feel like it, they can screw over agencies too.
We met with them, and ended up passing on the job.
- Good call. I'd say that's in-line with the same decision-making that led to the $487k logo.luckyorphan
- shitehawke0
lucky, unfortunately I don't know the cost of the work in the example above, but I would like to know too. As I said though it may have been muddled, I doubt that the work cost as much as the montreal branding, but it was on a much smaller scale: a few square miles as opposed to the size of the greater montreal area.
Also, I think I need to emphasise if it cost 487k for just a logo, then its massively overpriced, however, for a huge identity system, of which a logo is merely a part then it has to be seen as an investment that is worth the money paid.
As far as reduced rates for govt, I don't really agree with you. I have reduced rates or worked free for clients before on small projects. Working like that on a huge project such as this kind of branding could very well be the death-knell for a company as it would eat up massize amounts of time and resources, blocking them from working on other, paying, projects.
As an aside, in regard to the cost of the project, as other people have said, this would have gone out to tender. So someone within the govt would have set the budget after doing research into the work needed. This would have gone out to companies to tender and cost is (over here anyway) a big part of the tender process with anywhere from 60-80% of the weighting of a bid given to cost. It is up to the companies entering the process to decide the amount to charge, too little and they're seen as too cheap to be worth it, too expensive and they're seen to be a luxury, so actually the cost outlined could have been a good bit higher if a different company had won the pitch, or lower.
- akrokdesign0
"the biggest fucking hypocrites, for the most part. not too mention a very jealous bunch"
sounds like the LA tagline. lol.
- How so?luckyorphan
- Ah. I get it. Of course, that could be the QBN Public Voice tagline too, eh.luckyorphan
- yeah it's pretty universal.akrokdesign
- hektor9110
Designers talking trash about how much was spent on a design project. Well I don't care how much was spent on that logo, as long as it works. I will care about the price if the logo does not serve its purpose.
- luckyorphan0
No design is worth half a mil. I don't care who did it or how long it took.
Add to that the fact that a city has a budget, and every penny spent on design is taken away from other municipal duties. I can understand re-branding, especially in such a cosmopolitan city, but $687k is ridiculous.
That being said, as a design solution, it's decent.
- they could have bought 150 new CC TV camerasraskolnikov
- No football player is worth $100 bln. I don't care what he did it or how long it took.jimbojones
- < agreed.luckyorphan
- zarkonite0
just to clarify a small detail here, this isn't a new Montreal logo/branding. It's for the greater montreal area, which includes a few dozen towns. The purpose is to promote international exposure, in that respect money is not necessarily taken away from services.
- trooperbill0
sigh - design by commitee
- ok_not_ok0
- look like 2 dicks...ArmandoEstrada
- never understood that logo
elb? expos league baseball? I don't see the M at all.fooler2 - Damn you Armando! I liked that logo. Why did you have to make me see this??Redmond
- what does ELB stand for?scarabin
- dMullins0
- there are 5 circles in the logo and 0 golden spirals in the logo.
what a load of cockmunchery!jimzy - what a load of cockmunchery!jimzy
- the golden spiral is to show that the m fits in the golden proportions, do I have to explain everything?jimbojones
- yes jimbo, I'm afraid you do.
The golden spiral reference seems like a bit of an afterthought really to me.jimzy - the proportions of the logo seem like an afterthought? if anything, it's the other two...kingsteven
- jimzy, it's a bonus. clients love this shit, I don't blame the guys if they want to throw in some "science", it's not like pepsijimbojones
- it seems more mathemathical than creative..hektor911
- "clients love this shit" - jimbokingsteven
- Presenting stuff like that makes them accept semi-shitty solutions easier :)jagara
- Demonstrating that they fed them bullshitMimio
- this diagram reminds me of the pepsi redesign bullshitscarabin
- there are 5 circles in the logo and 0 golden spirals in the logo.
- jimbojones0
this is a really nice mark AND a really nice identity system, thought out and all. memorable, modern, plenty of room for develpoment. for a city, look how many cities have decent marks. but you probably think that one or two designers pocket 487K, so you probably won't understand.
- <dMullins
- No design is worth half a mil.luckyorphan
- get out of this thread lucky!
If a good design helps generate additional revenue and enhances the repuation, why the hell not?Amicus
- benfal990
timelined of 1 year or so. but it's ok, c'est pas bin grave ;)
- benfal990
its on since a year or so and i never saw it anywhere