what a prick.
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- __TM0
I thought degrees only mattered when applying for a job in education. I have never ever checked the degrees of an applicant. Whether or not someone qualifies depends entirely on their portfolio.
- Nostradamus0
You'll quickly find that, on average, non-grads simply don't have the critical thinking skills or the planning and organization of a college graduate.
- i don't agree. my experience has not been true to this. people are people.airey
- doesnotexist0
so he's a business major, don't respond if he sounds like a prick.
or post it on here. maybe boost your ego a little. feel better about your life. take a nap maybe?
- airey0
referring to Nostradamus comment:
“All generalizations are false, including this one.”
Mark Twain
- gramme0
I never got the piece of paper. Got a degree alright, but when I walked the stage they gave us completely worthless "ceremonial" scrolls with a lovely line drawing of the school's bell tower and shite else. They wanted $35 for the diploma. I thought the thousands of dollars worth of debt I had yet to pay off was quite enough of a bill, thank you very much.
- I'd have thought you'd have that framed on your ego wall.raskolnikov
- monNom0
I've sorted through stacks of applications before. Education is not high on the list of things I look at.
I won't even read the coverletter if the work isn't good. I scan for a link, check out the portfolio site/pdf, if everything looks okay and is presented well then I'll review resume for design of the document. I might glance at experience while I'm in there but usually go back to the cover letter and see how they introduce themselves and communicate in a business letter... If all those factors are good I'll go in for further review.
...a degree from such and such school would never be the deciding factor between candidates -- wouldn't even get you in the door.
- Killer0
Resume, portfolio, salary requirements and BFA preferred.
Fucking right, if not, then you get all the fucking cowboys claiming they can do your job.
- ukit0
I agree, but design is one of the few fields where that is true.
"I thought degrees only mattered when applying for a job in education."
haha I wish this was true but I don't think it is. What else are they going to go off of for someone who's applying for their first job? That BS is all they have.
- a school portfolio. you should have one upon graduation.Antonelli
- JerseyRaindog0
I've never been asked for my qualifications in any of my jobs - only ever for my portfolio. My degree equivalent education wasn't in design either but advertising. But I was exposed to it for 6 months of my 2 year course. That's all my design education. My first job was working in a back street printer on boards setting up layouts with letraset and rubylith and drawing visuals in magic markers for clients. Much like this one done by my boss at the time (who now runs Wash design oop north).
The concept behind this job was my own and it was that ability to produce ideas with creative ideas behind them that eventually became my strength. I still have a lot to learn design wise but I'm getting there.- that centred ody-copy makes for some awkward reading. justification muthalicker!airey
- No you're right. But this was 1992 and this was all letraset. But I agree.JerseyRaindog
- dbloc0
The Self-taught thing is kinda wack...there are a lot of really good self-taught people.
- yeh, self-taught + good = talent, college+good = education.mikotondria3
- sigg0
portfolio only and no bfa was the battle cry of the dot com era back in 96-2002. every tom, dick and harry was a designer because at some point in time they'd picked up a html book and taught themselves how to design for the web. companies started to soak these people up like a sponge only to find out they had no clue what the hell they were doing.
2003-2008 95% of the jobs i saw demanded a bfa. that way companies could know for sure if someone was taught design or not.
anyone can fake their way through a resume, portfolio and interview. how many fake portfolios have presented themselves this year alone in the qbn? a ton. think about it, those people were passing themselves off as designers using a bogus portfolio.
there are always exceptions to the rule, but for the most part a company looks for a bfa only to cover their ass and help them better understand what they're getting in an employee. it doesn't mean they're any better of a designer than the guy who only has a portfolio, it's just a small piece of mind for them i guess.
- this is a good point. Though you can lie about a BFA just as easily as stealing a portfolio.monNom
- PonyBoy0
i thought there was a thread in my honor... nevermind
- Amicus0
what's the number?
- _me_0
Jim.
Sr. Web Designer and partner of Entire Internet.
190k + Company Benefits.
- akrokdesign0
^ you should set the bar a bit higher, don't lower your self like that.
- Amicus0
I've lost count of the number of times I have had discussions with designers who have degrees but no knowledge of typography etc.
It's so hard to judge, but I would say my year long 'apprenticeship' in the industry, thousands of hours study and 13 years experience should more than make up for the lack of a piece of paper.
Unfortunately that lack of paper keeps me out of the running for about 85% of jobs. Shouldn't your experience and folio count for more than a degree???
- does in my book.ninjasavant
- in industries like design, sure. in my opinion it's better to have both. school does teach you some things you wouldn't think ofjuhls
- yepPonyBoy
- portdolio: muy importante
design education: not so much
contacts you get at the uni: muy muy importantejimbojones - portfolio and client experience is x1000000000000 times more important than a degree.section_014
- I have never been asked for a degree in 15 years.CyBrain
- ali0
A good designer could fake a certificate...
- not a background check though.FredMcWoozy
- Hello, Vandolay Industriesneferiu
- best sales man, they ever had. lol.akrokdesign
- MrDinky0
Maybe they had too many bad portfolios to content with. Its always surprising how many people say they are designer but well they are not (hence I cant call my self one)
- yeah but if they went to school or not, make's no difference. i seen a ton of people with their BFA, still SUCKakrokdesign