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define 'art' you fucks.
- i did this a while ago, it was very good, i'll try and remember it.Khurram
- oh yeah - design is the medium, while art is the message in and of itself. Tada!Khurram
- but why?Khurram
- Art is that which answers the question.Horp
- too reductive, like answering art as unicum, or self-expression.francoisfido
- That's not a valid argument to dismiss something cost its said in a few words.Khurram
- and what the fuck is unicum?Khurram
- unicum: unique example, specimen
(as per dinky 1 post below)francoisfido
- well that's even more preposterous then. You've taken random analogies to equate to what i saidKhurram
- here i would like to know where the 'art' resides in the work of joshua davis. 'process' alone is not art.francoisfido
- I'm not following your reductive argument. Would you prefer an essay on it? I'll try and get this in a longer wayusKhurram
- That's not what you asked. Anyway, so "Design is a conduit for a message once removed, whereas art stands as the message in its immediacy"Khurram
- message in its immediacy"Khurram
- I prefer my first answer. Design is how you present the information, art IS the information.Khurram
- that makes more sense. but my question was in relation to the way 'art' has been used here in re PrayStation.francoisfido
- i like your 2nd one much better,
art is also a medium.francoisfido
- Art is not the medium. Design is the medium. Art is the message in and of itself. In its very artefact it is the messageKhurram
- This is why "originals" are sanctified. Because it is an artefact.Khurram
- i accept your theoretical definition of art, i hope you are happy. but like i tried to say, it's not what i was asking.francoisfido
- Shut the fuck up you bunch of whiners. this discussion never ends and only makes you look retarded.janne76
Art for me is something that one off. I have hard time thinking that photo as art.
- @ juhls, duh, dmullins
not you. you were the one who asked the question 9 posts up and 8 notes left.francoisfido
- oh and at praystation specifically, though i asked him above and he failed to answer.francoisfido
- I left my answer buried in side comments :(dMullins
- @ juhls, duh, dmullins
i work in design for almost 12 years. and i was never ever interested soo much like some of you guys in the person behind a design i saw on the web or a magazine.
there are two quotes i've heard:
"if i would always listen to what people tell about my work, i wouldn't be there where i am today"
"as soon as you start to think, you're an artist, you should quit your dayjob"
Sorry but I would like to know.. what is his / your thought process?
According to me, there is no real definition.
If thats the case, how would you know it is a process or if even it exists?
"Art is one off."
You heard it here first. Throw away every painting after "The Man with the Blue Guitar," because everything else in the blue period was an original fake.
Self-expression. JD creates successful client communicate to their clients through powerful self-expression.
I still don't see the issue here. People who call themselves critics (and man, that's a nice job, wish I could land it;P) are paid to do exactly what the guy did, say what they think about stuff.
Is he an asshole? Sure, maybe. But he could just as easily go to a Coldplay concert and say, Coldplay are a bunch of pathetic idiots and no one would be criticizing him for expressing his view. Now personally I hate Coldplay but I like Joshua Davis but you get my point, it's just a guy writing for a magazine.
HAVE ANY OF YOU DONE ANY WORK TODAY???!!!
- I blame youMrDinky
- I've been on hold with the Australian Embassy for 4 hours..neue75_bold
- I blame my ADDKhurram
- the pipes of workflow are cloggedrzrffglyr
- i have weekend.digdre
- ps - do any of you know a reliable internet source for Dextroamphetamine???Khurram
- omg, you're moving to australia snuggles, good for you!Khurram
I wonder how many people left CR, came to QBN, started new accounts, visited JoshuaDavis.com, and essentially created the opposite intended effect of the original post on CR?
- bad publicity is good publicityrzrffglyr
- "Reputation must be closely guarded, because it is 'the most difficult to regain,' - John WhiteheadMrDinky
- so JD did a good job defending it, but the entire situation brings attentionrzrffglyr
- he had 10 years to work on his response, not like this just came upMilan
^the guy can say he doesn't like JDavis work, I have no problem with that. what upset me is his arguments (tattoos and wacom....)
It's like if he said coldplay plays shitty music arguing the way they are dressed doesn't no appeal to him. there would be no point and I would find the whole article shitty.
You can hate as long as you have valid argument.
Actually he did make an argument based on Davis' art. I'm not defending the guys' opinion, I just think it's weird that one guy stating his opinion starts such a big controversy.
I don't have a strong enough opinion either way about JD's work (or CR Magazine for that matter) to register a vote for or against the commentary.
What is unclear to me, and pardon me if this has been addressed before, is what relevance JD's work has at a conference on typography. This is not a negative critique of his work, merely an observation that his work seems to be much more firmly ensconced in the realm of semi- to fully-abstract illustration rather than the artful setting of type.
- Is that to say that semi- to fully-abstract illustration is not artful?dMullins
- Simply because a computer was involved in ray tracing and whatnot?dMullins
- why does a dog lick his balls?Rand
- I'm saying no such thing, dMullins. Merely making the point that he doesn't seem to really be a typographer.gramme
- It's my understanding that this conference was primarily about type and typography, no?gramme
- I see JD being more relevant at an event that's more all-encompassing in the creative arts.gramme
- e.g. AIGA, etc.gramme
- I agree with you completely, its just that people have been talkin about him bein art or notdMullins
- SO I thought that's what your comment meant is all..dMullins
- Gotcha. Yeah I really don't care for that argument anymore. It's been done to death, you know?gramme
- Not to mention the fact that it's so deeply subjective, any objective reasons for/against become totally subsumed.gramme
Did anyone notice that Joshua can't write proper sentences? Seems like he used one of his generative scripts to create that response.
i remember once going to see a guest lecture by mr. davis in baltimore. it was a fairly interesting lecture. i think i followed about 40% or so of what he was talking about. at one point i looked down at my shoe and realized i had stepped in gum on the way into the lecture hall. it was still somewhat wet, so it was fresh and i really did not want to touch it. i can still smell it, juicy fruit or someshit. it's amazing the power behind scent and it's connection to memory. there are certain smells that can trigger the most obscure memory of a grandmother or a room in a old house you haven't lived in since you were 6. god, when i was 6, i remember acting out thundercats with a young girl i was friends with. i was always liono and she was obviously cheetara. everyone joked that we were boyfriend and girlfriend which apparently stemmed from a comment i made at one point, defining us as such. kid's say the damnedest things, eh? i know my son in particular has this way about him. he is very conscious of an audience and will ham it up and do and say some very funny things. he is only 4, but i see glimpses now and then of his understanding so much more than i give him credit for. it's amazing how smart children actually are. and, then they go in ruin it by punching the cat or throwing a toy when you've told them repeatedly to stop...
what was i talking about?