worth 6,000 bucks?
- Started
- Last post
- 60 Responses
- TheBlueOne0
*begins to wonder if this thread didn't quote go the way applepirate had hoped
- "quite" not "quote". sigh.TheBlueOne
- it's buttpirate now remember?version3
- applepirate0
ha... so i didnt post for a bit b/c my router shit the bed.
so i get the whole "dont take money out of a firm's pocket" and the "whatever the client will pay is what its worth" AND the "lets all get rates up so we can charge more for bottom line jobs"
here is my issue. the site looks disgusting. and i am a designer that actually gives a fuck about making people/clients happy thats one of the main reasons i left the agency world and am now a totally broke freelancer.
the integration of blog/shopping cart is supposedly finished in the wed dev's eyes... i cant see how that is possible. they are acting like they are totally done with the site and they have just now given the client the first look at the template based implementation they have developed.
the client(jean) is not happy and the firm is claiming they are 95% finished with the site. they are developers that buy a handful of templates and plug content in... jean had no way of knowing that(or what that even meant she is a 62yr old ex PE teacher running her own business in education).
so am i taking a job away from someone? FUCK YES! with pleasure.. if the web continues to be proliferated with bullshit HTML templates like this i think its a shame and that design should be taken out of the "web designer" title these asshats toss around so casually.
- applepirate0
"side note: You ever look under the hood of one of those templates? It's like it was coded with a blender. Cheaper to start from scratch."
i totally agree blaw... templates are for people that dont call themselves designers/programmers.
if you are either one of those titles you would never beat your head against the wall editing some bullshit code someone else hacked together to make a quick buck
- OSFA0
Templates are for marketing "gurus" and "divas"
- BattleAxe0
show me the template
- version30
i smell pride, god or some other holier than thou said that was bad.
- itsmitch0
I think the problem here isn't the arrangement, it sounds like they both had an agreement up front and she just didn't ask enough questions or do any research before committing 6k to a project. She needed to communicate (legally, in writing) her exact requirements for the project (a brief) and ask lots of questions. She didn't do her part and now she's in shady territory.
- mikabast0
how did she found these guys? with google's "i'm feeling lucky" feature?
if not, she chose them for a reason, and saw their previous works. or she just signed the contract blindly?
- moldero0
someones getting ripped off.
- _rootlock0
looks like a box of crayolas blew up.
- ArthurKade0
ArthurKade thinks this site is totally KADE STYLE.
KADE OUT
- mikotondria30
You have encountered, early in your career, having to try to make a silk purse from a sow's ear, otherly: to polish a turd:
The logo you've tried to start with is beyond saving. The whole asthetic of a site needs to resonate with, and be informed by this and you've kinda been true to it in that what you created from the site has no structure, sense of space or scale, and the colors are bad. If this were my client, I would honestly refuse to go any further without including a new logo. You're honestly never going to get anywhere trying to include that. No page, however nicely you lay it out, with whatever stunning gorgeous typography or images you use will gel with the logo, there's simply no way to do it. Its like going round to Gordon Ramsay's for dinner, where he says he'll cook with whatever you bring, and you bring a BigMac without the bun or pickle, etc, and just wash off the gray lumpy meat patties. There's no way he can highlight and embellish, or even disguise the gristly inept amateur filth that he's been given.
Just becuse it is learning, doesn't mean it has to look childish or childlike. Start again from scratch, and you'll get much further, much faster.
Apologies if you actually did design the logo.- the logo was designed by a guy that works at kinko's, i have been given no direction other then "make it like the logo" :(applepirate
- im not a good designer i will be the first to admit that, but i do strive to offer "what the client wants" a lot of time that is not prettyapplepirate
- anything anyone will like but the person writing the checks, so yeah, box of crayolas is about rightapplepirate
- _rootlock0
This is like bum wars. The crappy design "firm"(i use firm loosely) looses a paying job to a freelance designer(i use designer loosely) who says he will do it for free. ahhhh... this might work out, all the crappy designers under bidding each other.
- Nairn0
So, they're all HTML files and therefore presumably none-CMS'd (unless there's some fancy server side generator, but I'm not really familiar with that kind of shit)? Certainly not worth $6k, awful, awful design aside.
- Good point about .HTML. I missed that.blaw
- php can hide in .html pages , but long shotBattleAxe
- has to be a .php page for the server to process it thoughversion3
- yeh,I always make my html pages run php..mikotondria3
- blaw0
On the topic of templates, I agree that companies that promote themselves as a Web design/development company, then turn around a slap a free theme on an installation of WordPress are shit, but it doesn't take much time looking at their previous work to determine this. I give such companies a shelf life of about 9 months.
- the company in question is 10yrs old and had a client roster on their white board that made them seem very "busy"applepirate
- i wish a 9month shelf life was a true read on these kind of assbag's... but somehow they fill business parks all over DFW competing with the same templatesapplepirate
- (sigh) Really? Must have a great salesman. I get you on this. Currently a minor bur in my side fits this bill to a tee.blaw
- Also, while all dogs go to heaven, all salesman go to hell. So there's that.blaw
- craighooper0
She agreed to pay $6000 for the product, and signed her name in ink declaring so.
Is the project done? Until the moment comes that they say "we are done, here are your files", and she says "wait, you have yet to complete, a, b, c, and d", and they don't, then there is little that you can do, Flash dude who started this topic, other than do you best to look and sound like a douche by putting yourself in the middle of things.
Yes, said website is awful. Don't get involved—concentrate your energy and efforts on yourself instead.
- i was asked to build a flash based 3D game to add to this template so i freaked. now i have a job that i am happy to doapplepirate
- do for a family friend that was getting ripped off.. dont see how that makes me a douche?applepirate
- applepirate0
so you guys ready to get really nasty over your bored weekends and trash every idea i have for a clients website? i sure hope so... if i still feel like calling myself a "designer" on monday im gonna guess that a few of you are away from the pc/mac all weekend...
here's my framework/wireframe concept
- lots of content needed to be accessed after im out of the dev phase, so i just want uber simplicityapplepirate