"law" of evolution?
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- TheBlueOne0
We covered this yesterday.
- ukit0
Why put law in quotes?
- He's setting up an anti-evolution rant, I thinkTheBlueOne
- KingPin0
Let's hope that the Republicans/Christian/Creationis... don't read the article, they will have a conniption!
- Well, they are quite good at those.TheBlueOne
- and no one else is...ehem.zenmasterfoo
- ukit0
- ukit0
- teleos0
Nobody is hating on science. The point is that certain theories have glaring deficiencies.
- "God did this or that", isn't a theory.mikotondria3
- I don't claim that it is.teleos
- I mean, it IS YOUR theory. Your only, untestable, unfalsifiable, version of a theory.mikotondria3
- yeah, you kind of do. i by kind of, i mean yes, you do.spifflink
- I claim that biology shows evidence of a designer. And that we should investigate. That is all.teleos
- your claim is in error then. please look at ALL the evidence.spifflink
- please consider 'illusion of a designer'ribit
- teleos0
ribit: There are multiple definitions for "evolution". Different people mean different things when they say "evolution". Depending on whom you ask, it can mean simply "change over time" or it can mean descent with modification via Darwinian mechanisms. If one is speaking of the Darwinian synthesis then they are making a much grander claim than simply change over time.
Gravity - It is a law of gravity that if you drop an object, it will fall to the ground, but it is Gravitational Theory that explains how and why this occurs.
Entropy - This is also known as the Second LAW of Thermodynamics. Learn, go, tell.
- Yes. Teach the Controversy. That's all you can do 'cuase you don't understand what you spew.TheBlueOne
- An assertion without supporting facts or evidence is simply hot air. What is this this grander claim that 'one' or 'they' are supposedly makingcomicsans
- supposedly makingcomicsans
- my god you're annoyingRand
- :)teleos
- monospaced0
Cool stuff. It's too bad that not enough people go out and learn about evolution before discussing it, though.
- TheBlueOne0
*makes popcorn, waits for johndiggity to resign in as teleos
- Aw damn...u beat meukit
- great minds and all that...TheBlueOne
- ukit0
"teleos" will show up in T minus 10...9...
- teleos0
comicsans: The grand claim that many are making is that natural selection acting upon random mutations [aka the Darwinian synthesis or Darwinian Evolution] is responsible for all of biology.
- Mimio0
Too bad your God cell theory holds no water at all.
- TheBlueOne0
I guess we all carry unspoken baggage around with us when we get into these conversations. I am definitely on the science side of this debate if it's "intelligent design" sitting across the table. But I'm not necessarily anti-religion or anti-spirituality or whatever. But then again, my definition of religion/spirituality isn't Christian fundamentalism either. In fact, it's not really biblical based per se. See, where ukit says "Religion on the other hand, doesn't seem to feel any need to back up its claims about faith healing, resurrection, seas parting etc. I'd be a lot more impressed with religion if I could actually say cast a spell a la Final Fantasy and shoot a lightening bolt at someone or heal myself." well NONE of that is religious to me. That's just parlor tricks for the easily impressionable rubes. All that supernatural stuff is just rank BS to me. I think there's plenty of strangeness and wonder in the natural order of things to drop some sublime shit on our heads. I think there's plenty of space for a religious/spiritual mindset to operate in - the mysteries of life/death, ethics, despair, joy, peace/war..that to try and have it serve principally as some sort of theory of causation in natural phenomenon as the base explanatory rule set is just utilizing it for what it's good for .
IMHO, teleos is either being entirely disingenuous (thus pulling a fast one on the rubes) or he's really THAT clueless (he is a rube) when he claims he doesn't see how assuming from the start there is a God at the start of all things and saying that science points to a supreme God because we need to "look at all the evidence". Science and religion shouldn't be at war with each other, and those that promote it do so for a reason that is helpful to neither, but primarily themselves. I also find it very interesting that those on the creationist..oops, I mean Intelligent Design...side of the debate like to frame science as "just another religion" as some sort of justification for what they're doing, when in fact science is simply not a religion, nor could it be. If there are people who operate under that mindset they are just as misled and equally a bunch of rubes as those who think that Jesus rode a dinosaur.
Just calling it as I see it t-man. But what the hell do I know, I'm just a puny human.
- "...what it's NOT good for" end of first paragraph.TheBlueOne
- Thanks for the response TBO. I think we agree on a lot here. The main thing I was getting at is "understanding we don't understand everything" not through science and not through religion.designbot
- not through science and not through religion.designbot
- ..ooops got cut off "understanding that we don't understand everything".designbot
- TBO, with you on most points there. Science / faith are not mutually exclusive.sublocked
- ukit0
The craziest most of that story is that the fossil was hanging on some guy's wall for 20 years, without anyone realizing that it was so valuable.
- mikotondria30
There are many many things in this world, which at one time had only a religious explaination, but that now - thanks to the hardwork, talent and dedication of people creating and implementing the scientific method, have a better scientific explaination.
There are no things that once had a scientific explaination, but that now have a religious explaination.
Not one.
- designbot0
It's the missing link....all they needed was one Lemur fossil.
Evolution is now proven fact!
- if you're being sarcastic, you obviously don't know shit about evolutionmonospaced
- you obviously choose to ignore the enormous absence of transitional fossils.designbot
- "transitional fossils" is a good band nameharlequino
- lol at "transitional fossils". Sounds all scientific, like you know what you're talking about.TheBlueOne
- hahahahaha, your ignorance is astonishingmonospaced
- hey monospace ANY time you want to have a real discussion, hit me up.designbot
- anytimemonospaced
- and TBO, yes I know exactly what I am talking about. Transitional fossils or transitional forms is a living or fossilized organism that is believed to be an evolutionary link between two groups of organismdesignbot
- organism that is believed to be an evolutionary link between two groups of organism. And as I said there is an enormous absence of these.designbot
- absence of these fossils.designbot
- But, the presence of some is actual evidence for evolution. The God theory still has zero evidence backing it up.monospaced
- I know exactly what you THINK you're talking about, but you'd be wrong. http://www.scientifi…TheBlueOne
- But doesn't matter, not going to convince each other anyway. TTFNTheBlueOne
- mono, what type of evidence do you suppose could prove the supernatural events that took place in the Bible?designbot
- And don't forget science has no facts to prove anything about the origins of the universe. Evolution attempts to answer man's origins, but fails to answer the bigger question.designbot
- man's origins, but fails to answer the bigger question (how anything came to be in the first place)designbot
- Interesting article TBO, I think my question to mono holds true in regards to this as well. When the claim is made there is "zero fact" to back up the "creationist" claim.designbot
- to back up the "creationist" Christian claim, what do you suppose would be evidence or "fact" to prove the supernatural?designbot
- don't get all sciencey about the bibble dude.DrBombay
- lol @ scienceydesignbot
- seriously, there isn't any science involved in that book. believe your faith and realize it is faithDrBombay
- It's faith, but not blind faith. I look at the evidences (historical, archeological and otherwise) and it's my faith in those evidences along with personal experiences that I arrive at my beliefs.designbot
- along with personal experiences that I arrive at my beliefs. Dr.B, I can assure you that you exercise faith everyday.designbot
- what does a monkey fossil have to do with it to make you get all jumpy about it?DrBombay
- Well you can see for yourself in this very thread, people often make a direct connection with evolution in disproving God or disproving Christianity.designbot
- disproving Christianity.designbot
- At the end of the day it really is a side issue to me, I just feel passionate that the things purported on evolution are often vastly skewed.designbot
- skewed and sensationalized. So you have this supposed "fact v.s. fiction" aka: science v.s. religion which is simply not true.designbot
- Curious what is your stance then Dr.B? No God whatsoever?designbot
- TheBlueOne0
Passed along without comment.