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- ahli0
- chossy0
I wonder if it is just in the nature of these people to fucking hate and kill each other?...
How would a comparison with Scotland and England work?...
The English battered us and then told us to fuck off to the coast so they could raise sheep on our land, then we all fought for a bit then signed treaties and now we live in peace. Could these two nations live in peace ever?.
- vespa0
Yes they could live in peace. Plenty of people in the region on both sides want to live in peace.
Let's stop giving them weapons to kill each other with. Let's stop giving them money to support the illegal settlements. Let's use peacekeeping forces to protect journalists who are trying their hardest to get in there to report the truth to the outside world.
This from the James Stephenson, BBC Jerusalem editor:
"The Israelis have not let any journalists in since the fighting started, despite a ruling by the Israeli Supreme Court that they should do so."So clearly, democratic elements within Israel are being suppressed.
- newsflash hamas is being funded by iran.... the same iran who the us was going to bomb.dconstrukt
- vespa means both parties when she says 'them'chossy
- thanks chossyvespa
- Doorman0
Big politicians sitting around a table and talking crap...we are use to that.
In this particular case, there will be (apparently), a 3 hours a day cease fire....3 fucking hours a day!!!!
Is that a bit like a game....????? Why not having a complete cease fire!?
You kill each other then take a break....COME ON!!!!!!
I thought Politicians were cleverer than that.
Peace should be signed and sorted.
When? Probably Never.
- http://news.bbc.co.u…
quite hard to bargain with these guyspeterorpete - israel is a country, hamas is a terrorist group.dconstrukt
- http://news.bbc.co.u…
- chossy0
This is rough like, Palestine need someone in there to root out the Hamas and keep the peace and also protect them from Israel and Israel need protection from Hamas and a fucking pretty strong ultimatum to cease fire.
None of which appeal to any of them.
- Danglin_Dave0
"We can forgive the arabs for killing our children. We can not forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the arabs when they love their children more than they hate us ."
Golda Meir
- Khurram0
It’s an ideological struggle. People divided by an ideology can never live in peace.
Some will have you believe that the ideologies are Zionism on one hand and “Jihadism” and the “war against terror” on the other.
But it’s actually Zionism v a secular nationalist anti-colonial movement.
I don't see any possibiilty of peace after this. Not for generations. Israel raised the stakes to an all or nothing game. Ultimately, it will only undermine their own objectives.
It was a stupid idea anyway, trying to impose a Jewish state in Palestine.
- ********0
"secular nationalist anti-colonial movement"
Snappy.
- well, it's not really a cogent ideology as Zionism is. More like "give our land back!"Khurram
- Is why its so easy for the movement to appropriate pan-Arabism at one point, and then Islamism at anotherKhurram
- ps - sent you text, friday.. reply post haste.Khurram
- i did.********
- Golb.
Give Our Land Back.
Much better.********
- paraselene0
secular???
pfft.
- Khurram0
Fatah is a secular movement. It has enjoyed the broad support of Palestinians throughout its history. It is still amongst the most popular political movement amongst the Palestinians, and controls the West Bank. It contains Christians as well as Muslims in its leadership.
- but hamas is not. which is, i think, the main reason that the west take to villifying palestine so easily.paraselene
- it is seen as analogous to fundamentalist terrorism.paraselene
- yes. I'm talking about the much deeper, more interminable ideological riftKhurram
- which can be reduced to anti-colonial Zionism. Hamas was born in 1993 out of the failure of th Oslo accordsKhurram
- meant, anti-colonial nationalism, not Zionism.Khurram
- yes, just saw your note above as well.paraselene
- BaskerviIle0
I read Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell just before christmas. There's an interesting chapter about a study that was done at the university of michigan. It studied why the southern US states were more violent in general than the north. The study concluded that it wasn't anything to do with slavery, higher temperatures etc, it actually came from the cultural heritage of the first settlers there.
The settlers in the northern states were mainly farmers, how grew crops. But the settlers in the south came from a scottish-irish background and were mainly shepherds. As a farmer you don't have to worry about your crops, they just grow and you harvest them.
But shepherds have to constantly worry about other people stealing their sheep, watching the flock. In that culture you had to defend your animals with violence in order to be successful.
The study argued that the violence in the southern states even to this day stems from the cultural legacy of those first settlers.You can read Outliers for a brief synopsis, but the authors of the study published a book called Culture of Honor:
http://www.amazon.com/Culture-Ho…I wonder if the attitude towards violence is a cultural thing in the middle east that can be attributed to differing ideologies but also to a deeper rooted cultural legacy.
- Troof.Khurram
- Or maybe just because they're scottish and irish and down-right cranky?********
- lol who are you calling cranky?paraselene
- But the scotch-irish drink and I thought followers of islam mostly don't.TheBlueOne
- read that this xmas too, interesting book. That chapter in particularkelpie
- HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!chossy
- brandelec0
"So long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people - greedy, barbarous, and cruel, as you are."
T.E.
- keiTai0
@danglin_dave, quoting your quote:
"We can not forgive them for forcing us to kill their children"WHAT AN ARROGANCE!!!!
I do think this says it all and there will be no peace ever. Both sides are killing, period.
- tank020
To Dave.
Interestin read:
http://www.demorgen.be/dm/nl/246…
- janne760
Dave, you really are incredibly ignorant.
- janne760
Anyone have any information on other Israeli's protesting this invasion? ie the ones not voting for former Mossad leader Barak?
- janne760
Should the International Tribune in The Hague not investigate this?
More citizens died than military staff in this invasion. I believe that is not collateral damage. It is called genocide.Barak should be brought to justice. Just like Karadzic.
- the internat. tribune in The Hague isn't meant for everybody ;)keiTai
- genocide? WTF are you talking about. its called terrorists hiding like cowards among innocent civilians.dconstrukt
- ukit0
Keith Ellison, the only Muslim Congressman, offers his views
