Dirtylipbalm
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- NotByHand0
I totally agree with Moamoa and Tank... not that you guys aren't bringing up valid points about 'rips' and such.
The fine line between 'inspiration' and 'plagarism' is always (and will always be) on of the most debated issues amongst creatives.
The dude is 19 - not that it's an excuse to steal others material.
But 'finding your own style' is partly done through exploration and elaboration of other people's work/concepts.
I guess I don't understand how the harsh dissing through an exposure of his entire portfolio is going to help him.
- typist0
i am totally fine with personal exploration for self-learning, but take that to a commercial level and get paid is another issue.
- francoisfido0
Dear stupids,
EJ, like Peter Saville are masters of appropriation, for the most part they are able to manipulate the cliché into something new. The old "it's not what you take, it's where you take it." The point here is that these people expand, re-interpret, reflexively bend-back upon an idea which has already been articulated.
Lissitzky to JMB is an influence even further from the point of discussion. In this case it's about aesthetic ideas transmuting through time, space and context.
The point being addressed here is a body of work which is flagrantly derivative. A young person who is taking clichés and simply re-enforcing their ineffectiveness. It's the propagation of this fucked-up approach which will be the magnificent ruin of YOU all.
- Dear stupids was a nice touch.amongthemasses
- The Stupids were a great punk band whats your poing ? ... also francoisfido has a point .. + 1
stinger - that last sentence was a little too dramatic. i am quite happy lately with what i do.janne76
- oh yes, just like the blog thrread. that is how nick refers to anyone below his intellect.janne76
- yes, but who the fuck cares? jesus, frank, get some work done.janne76
- tank020
Dear Nick,
You do have a point, but Peter Saville copied Tsichold to the letter
in his early years, you know when he was around 18-19...Later when he became a more self aware, he came up with a more diverse style that takes elements from all kinds fields like pop, culture & science.
A designers needs this phase, to became aware of a diversity of styles. He did it, i did it and probably you did it to.Its what Robert Bringhurst calls 'Preying on your own past'.
- tank seriously look at the references that fate posted. I mean are you blind?amongthemasses
- and aren't you supposed to be working?amongthemasses
- i am working, but i've been working since 10 in the morning, its 1.30 at night here, i'm allowed some downtime.tank02
- NO, BART...
GET YOUR ASS BACK TO WORK... NOW... ;)NotByHand - stop the whining! who the fuck CARES?janne76
- janne760
Y'ALL HAS BIN RIPPIN' MY STYLZ FO' YEARS NOW! Y'ALL IS HATERZ AND RACISTZ, Y'ALL!
- L!sikma
- (stupidity personified)francoisfido
- I R MUCH ENVY OF YOUZ!janne76
- Y'ALLZ!janne76
- janne760
please, bear in mind Nick is doing Rietveld now. He is an intellectual designer now. Please respect him accordingly.
- nothing against Rietveld or Nick though..janne76
- Blahaha, he is?
Ow Jezus, one of the self rightous designer who will always stand at the sidelinestank02 - prolly become a teacher straightaway from schooltank02
- or jobless.. like most i know.. :(janne76
- har har.tank02
- ;)janne76
- um, fuck off?francoisfido
- You are such a nice guy Nick...tank02
- (I have no reason to be nice to you.)francoisfido
- i love the little ( and ) thingiesjanne76
- your outlook may be as miserable as mine, nick. :)janne76
- janne760
ok, let's all hug and get on with each other and go back to work!
these banners need be done.
how do i spell "SHOOT 5 DUCKS AND WIN A LAPTOP" in Mandarin?
- janne760
anyway.. (haha, i light up the fire again now, eh?)
i believe Tank has a fair (maybe not proven, but well possible) point. Why would JMB not have been familiar with El Lissitzky? They are contemporaries! And both associated with the constructivism era.
And what is wrong with inspiration?
What about Picasso? Or Hirst?
- why the fuck did i even post this.janne76
- Noooootank02
- Its proven, in the Muller Brockman book they talk about this inspiration by Lissitzky...tank02
- not all books are spot on. that i know from someone doing a new bio on a famous artist..janne76
- but that aside, i believe he could be very well inspired by EL.janne76
- Be inspired and flat our copying are two different things!3point14159
- akrokdesign0
#69 - dirty...lip...balm. :-)
- janne760
DIE THREAD DIE!!!!!
- moamoa0
DIE HARD, DIE NOW.
- janne760
I IZ BIN DOIN MAD STYLZ AGAIN TOMORROWZ. G'NITE ALL OF Y'ALLZ!
- 3point141590
Let's just say that it appears that this kid's portfolio was really inspired from someone else's work, enough said!
Good night...
- ravi0
Wow, this thread led to an interesting evolution from pure bashing, into an interesting discussion. And I don't have any qualms with admitting that a lot of my work for clients are based on their references (some were blatantly a copy+paste reference from an existing work by others, etc and attributed with clear directions that it is to be followed closely), and some of them are my idea which was largely inspired by others work. And I am still learning, growing and I don't think we all will ever stop learning.
- fate_0
Merry Christmas.
- Kiggen0
@ fate_
You know this style already has been around since the 70ies? i got a very similar one in a swiss designbook from 76...
- digdre0
LOL
- fate_0
If that's some oft-repeated style from the 70's that I'm not aware of, I'd be happy to take back what I said.
- Kiggen0
All those recent minimalism / op-art design / patterns are 'inspired' by
the original artist from the 60/70ies