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- kelpie0
Digital will do ok, far as I can see - recent surveys show a lot more confidence there than in any other of the creative strands anyway. Totally disagree with Chossy on where its going/gone too. As for templates; sure if you can show me a template with a built in CMS that can handle everything a company needs these days, (especially once they realised their marketing budget can go far further online than off and move most of it to digital), then I'll worry, maybe.
I'm pretty confident if you have a brain, know how to use it and think further than "website" and "banner ad" in this game, then the possibilities are both endless, and damn cheap. happy days.
- neue75_bold0
Things seem to be fine in Amsterdam, but then again, I don't speak, read or understand Dutch, so the country could be in recession for all I know...
- chossy0
Fair enough Kelpie, I am still concerned though as a new advertising agency started up about a year ago and their website is a blog thats it a nicely designed blog!!!!. If an advertising agency goes for this as their site what does this say (fuck all probably :/ I dinae ken much about much anyway I'm just chucking things on the mirror seeing who sniffs it up)
- kelpie0
do they work in digital? things happen pretty fast there and lots of companies are switching to blogs as they're about the only thing loose, quick and flexible enough to keep up with everything that's happening. We're thinking of doing it ourselves. By the time you've found the time to design your own site amidst all the client wortk, then designed it, then had it built, then had it populated with content its already out of date!
Who gives a fuck what an agency's site is like anyway? surely what their client work is like is what matters?
- not arguing, just chattin', btw choss, if the tone sounds conffrontationalkelpie
- thats just you being scottishmistermik
- I think it matters. If you're guarding clients brands you need to do the same with your ownbabaganush
- who says they aren't? and that the things they can say in the blog aren't a far better indication of their ability to guard a brand?kelpie
- seems to me that people want information at an exponential rate which is not achievable. I do edits for a finantial company.chossy
- and they film it in the morning and need it edited and encoded by that evening they are about 45 minutes long when cut down.!!!chossy
- bergnatal0
Mate,
The company got rid of half of my team last week. don't feel bad it is the economy
- mimeartist_com0
I'm just glad I'm not paying for an office in Carnaby Street like I was just over a year ago
- should have gone flash.. should have gone flash...mistermik
- hey?mimeartist_com
- rich manmistermik
- chossy0
They do everything adverts, posters, digital. Problems I am beginning to see are that people want videos and will pay very very little for them, for some reason people have far lower standards for a video than they do for most other things.
- that's probably the interweb's fault to be fair. when the means of distribution is everywhere people think production is cheap tookelpie
- ...tookelpie
- site?babaganush
- It's because the latest agency 'gimmick' is user generated content...'make our ad'. Cheap crudbabaganush
- Moo0
Work told us on friday that they are laying off a load of people and on friday I got an email from my boss saying that my position was save as I'm the only web designer so that made my wife a little happier BUT then yesterday I got told they had made a mistake and that I was up for the chop with the rest :( how could my boss get it so wrong i can't believe how my work is being run with people like him in charge what a joke.
*****END RANT******
- exador10
From everything I've read, and all that I've seen happening, my guess is that print design is going to get hit hardest, primarily magazine ads, that sort of thing...
look to direct mail and smaller print jobs being fairly secure, as it's not as big an investment for companies to do...
online work, websites, any kind of digital marketing initiatives look to be somewhat stable as well...from what I've seen big companies are looking to get as big a return on their investment as they can, and with online work, it can be tracked and measured far easier and more reliably than, say, a coast-coast magazine buy.....smaller shops and individuals will be making a killing if they can hustle...large shops with CD's that earn 300k are going to be in serious trouble...seen THAT a lot lately...why would company 'X' spend what few dollars they have at Publicis, or Y&R or Satchi etc...when they can go to a much smaller shop, get work thats equal in value but without the massive overhead. i think you'll see a LOT of over paid AD's and CD's getting tossed under the bus in the next few months.... one of my best friends has been independent for about 8 years now, and his business is fucking booming right now...his work is top-notch, and his price is 'just right'...anyhow, thats what i've been noticing....
- kelpie0
To be honest, provided it was an ok sum, I'd be sorely tempted to take redundancy right now.
- chossy0
It's fascinating that video and film is still seen in such a playful light. Companies get massively excited if you suggest putting a video on their site or making a DVd for them. Just when they find out the cost they pure shite their can likesey!.
- kelpie0
all you guys that are worried, get thinking, they are throwing money at people right now.
- exador10
the trick right now is massive amounts of personal networking...get out there and meet brand managers, assistant brand managers...find out the local companies like UniLever, Proctor etc...anything or anyone like that....start emailing and calling those folks and invite them to lunch...get on their radar any way you can....if you can scoop up even a few small print jobs that way, you'll be in a much better position than most...
- mistermik0
what is you do Kelpie? or have you said and i didnt read it.
- he works as a sexy drugs mule.chossy
- he needs to expand......mistermik
- depends what day! anything from bog standard e-com design to quite cool digital marketing planningy stuffkelpie
- and sexy drug muling, of coursekelpie
- (we've been a bit boring of late though and treading water, but things are changing again now, yipee)kelpie
- thelukeandrews0
damn dude that really sucks!! yeah I work for a tickets sales company as in in-house designer. Lately, half my entire company got the chop, including the only otehr designer, marketing mnager.. both people who'd hired ME!!!
fakkn scary, I'm still checking my body for bullet holes.
My friend who is a shiite hgot designer, a qualified senior designer, just got a job as a bicycle courier out of desperation!!
this shizz is fizzed!!!
- babaganush0
Yeah it's all fucked - Let's change the thread and drop the 'off' from the title...
- AlwaysSunny0
This will be my first post here, so... hi all.
I got laid off recently, after working in the same comfy ad agency job for over ten years. Worked in print, made it up to Art Director and one day, out of the blue, they told us we were all done. They outsourced a bunch of jobs to another office. My wife was a stay at home mom for a while so we decided I'd do that for a while and TRY to get some freelance gigs. I don't think I've ever been happier (even though there are no freelance jobs either) !!
- airey0
sorry to hear. post a link to your folio or CV and we might be able to help?!?