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- ETM0
I think this is long-term political suicide for the Liberals. Seizing power in a crisis. They won't be able to turn it around, they will be blamed for everything, simple because they are in power and the Conservatives will look even better next election.
Better to vote a strong new leader in, show strength as a party again, have a strong platform and earn it next election. Stop being so selfish and acting like spoiled children who didn't get their way. This financial crisis needs the government to put aside differences and work together for the country... yes that means Conservatives too, ALL parties.
- sikma0
If the Liberals and NDP let Harper cut their funding they wouldn't stand a chance in the next election. So they may as well seize power instead of losing it later.
Dion will be gone in May and Michael Ignatieff will have one year to convince the populate that the Liberals are an organized and effective government. That's the catch.
- Jaline0
The only good talk radio station here (as far as I know) is 580 CFRA (besides CBC radio). Some caller just said, "It's as if though three men got together and decided to gang rape a woman". The host then added, "...and they blame her because of how she's dressed."
what the...
All the conservatives are calling in (as usual) and yelling. Planning a protest near Parliament this Thursday.
- benfal990
now you understand why iam a separatist :)
- shhhhJaline
- ben really? i'm now officially a quebecer. (if you havent noticed how much i've been making fun of that on facebook)Fanco
- didnt see that :P
but yeah, i am really a separatist and whats happening now is nourishing this envybenfal99 - shut it, you!
:PJaline - i like you Jaline, even if you're from Ottawa. Dont worry ;-)benfal99
- ukit0
- dog_opus0
I love Harper. Closest thing you goofballs have seen to a centrist since WWII.
- says a Conservative ;)Jaline
- Canada has you and hockey, Jaline (and some great next door neighbors), so it's not all bad!dog_opus
- We have dogs up here too. Don't you like dogs?Tungsten
- It's a good place.Jaline
- or a vampire
Kesse - You guys understand that I'm being facetious, right? I've always loved Canada (f not the govt.). Most of us do down here.
dog_opus
- MisterMonk0
Just get OBAMA up there and take over.
- it's about time you showed up!sikma
- lol u guys miss all my douchebag comments.MisterMonk
- sikma0
Historically government defeating collations have failed miserable. So the Liberals better shine 'cause they will get one hell of a spanking in the next election if they don't.
- Tungsten0
As much as I hate Harper I can't help but feel this move by the coalition is extremely bad timing. This could backfire in a really big way.
- Jaline0
Ugh. Not Dion.
Bad timing too. It makes you wonder if anyone cares about the country, or if they are all just in it for the power.
- Tungsten0
Finally having some excitement in our politics. This is bloody huge.
- sikma0
Harper brought this upon himself.
The people didn't give him a majority, so he shouldn't try to rule like he has one. He shouldn't have tabled a bill that would require a constitutional change that would cut party funding. He knew what he was doing. In fact he sent Michelle Jean out of the country hoping that would stop the opposition from ceasing power.
This is an amazing moment in Canadian political history and I LOVE IT!
- KwesiJ0
30 billion 'stimulus' sounds like 30 billion for corporate friends to adminster
- ETM0
The bill came at a bad time... but honestly, I don't feel that tax payers should 'subsidize' parties. But yes, it's easy for them to say that now that they are in power.
- t_rock0
Perhaps Harper shouldn't have been so arrogant to try and push through a bill with a tentative hold on power that would make it harder for the minority parties to fundraise at a level in order to compete with the PCs.
- ETM0
Also, he is to step down in May, and then our new PM will be decided by the Liberal party, not Canadians. Again... democratic?
From a stability standpoint and the economy... we'd then have 3 different Prime Minister's within 8 months. Yes... good plan.
- ETM0
Fanco:
As you said: "by selecting someone who is NOT Dion within a couple of days to be the new head of the Liberal party wouldn't be very democratic and viewed by many as not the the rightful Prime Minister."Maybe you should familiarize yourself on how Dion became leader of the Liberal party before you mention democratic process.
- he got elected by his peers and members of the liberal parties. how is that not the democratic process?Fanco
- I want to add, I am not hard core Conservative by any means. But I have no faith in the current Liberals.ETM
- selecting a member now without the consent of the whole liberal party members isnt right.Fanco
- if they picked someone now it would only be those on the parliamental hillFanco
- He did NOT get elected by his peers. That's the point. Look it up. He was 3rd in line.ETM
- The party in general did not vote on it, only a select few get to.ETM
- If Gerard Kennedy hadn't made the closed door deal to transfer his supporters behind Dion, Dion would have been 3rd.ETM
- i honestly find it confusing how they select a leader. that should change to simple votes for a candidate.Fanco
- Fanco0
ETM,
by selecting someone who is NOT Dion within a couple of days to be the new head of the Liberal party wouldn't be very democratic and viewed by many as not the the rightful Prime Minister. People know who Dion is. And people also know Dion is leaving. that's a fact. he's there to lead with competent ministers (just read up on who they are inviting to be part of the economy minister's advisor team). he will step down when the time is less urgent to carefully select a better leader.
he's not going to take us to war. not going to cut public funding for political parties for personal political gains. not going to ban public servant's right to strike. both Harper and Dion are smart men. The difference is the will and tactics used with said intelligence. Dion is willing to delegate jobs to people who are better suited. Harper is a control freak.
this coalition government would represent 100 times more the results of the last election than harper's sorry excuse of a government.
- ETM0
Dion is an idiot and an embarrassment. He was a failure as a Liberal party leader, so why should he become PM like this? He's not capable. If the Liberals are hell bent on doing this, elect a new, more capable leader first within the party.
Although Harper is not great, he's somewhat more capable than Dion and its what Canadians voted on. Like it or not.
To have Liberals come in and increase spending now would be a disaster. And a stimulus package is a band-aid, not a solution. Plus, do you really think our government looking a bit unstable to the world will help any economic conditions. C'mon, get real. There is nothing more important than stability right now, be it a company, bank or government.
Hopefully, it's all posturing like a union going to the company and threatening strike if they don't get what they want. Doing this would be political suicide in the long term.
Jaline, you out there? Working in Ottawa, whats the feeling there?
- how is harper better if he's not doing anything about the economy and doesn't have a majority of votes to begin with?KwesiJ
- seems like a pretty measly PM, Canadians in general did NOT vote conservative, hence the meaning of a coalition.KwesiJ
- You think Dion is the answer? You think left wing spending is the answer now?ETM
- i have to say it seems not like liberal spending but big business spending. its just the libs who can do it proper.KwesiJ
- but thats what makes it pretty fishyKwesiJ