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- 23kon0
is hoxton square within shoreditch?
if so then ive been there before, was years ago for Dreamless
was also out with mates from Deepend thereaye ive seen nathan barley and know that its a pretty good representation of that area hehehe
- kelpie0
anyway Kon, would you really want to do that kind of work? aren't most of (at least the older members) us more concerned with delivering good design work that IS about results and value etc etc?
The thing that gripes me more (though its unavoidable in a free market) is when good projects and jobs from up here go to London agencies with greater resource to throw at work (therefore reducing the relative cost to them of taking the job on and giving them an operative advantage at tender stage) rather than going to good agencies up here, that gets to be a bit of a vicious cycle.
Again though, that's life
- BaskerviIle0
It's possible to be a designer in london and not go to shoreditch, or ride a fixed gear bike
- kelpie0
You don't count though Baskervile, you're a nice, good mannered, studious young man who has no truck with these types.
You're into Clapton for gawds sake
- I hate the word 'studious' - it just doesn't look right.Nairn
- When I came to London, I made a pilgrimage to Shoreditch, gazing in awe at all the lil'creative shops and cosNairn
- companies doing the New Media thing (in 2000). I quickly realised I'd never be 'that cool' though. Still amn't.Nairn
- Amn't is a great word, by the way.Nairn
- clapton isn't safe, these shoreditch twats spread like a virusBluejam
- I think he meant Eric Clapton, which btw isn't entirely true.. or untrueBaskerviIle
- The day I see Clapton, guitar in hand, rocking a cross-hawk, is the day I die at my own handkelpie
- Your indifferent on ol slow hand is what you're trying to tell me baskerville?kelpie
- I did see him live this summer in hyde park, surrounded by about 20,000 dadsBaskerviIle
- BaskerviIle0
you'll find a lot of people in shoreditch with stupid clothes and haircuts actually aren't designers. They're all projects managers or work for PR companies which they think makes them 'creative'. No, a stupid haircut or ironic clothes does not make you creative, pisses me off.
One of our PA's is like that and it's like "you answer the phone all day, yes it's in a design studio but that doesn't make you a designer. Neither do your stupid clothes". Real designers are working late on a project.
- Leigh0
I work in shoreditch, does that make me a twat ? :(
- yes ;)BaskerviIle
- do you have a tint feathered part-hawk back combed cross cut?kelpie
- Nope. The twats wouldn't be self-conscious enough to askbabaganush
- kelpie0
I really don't understand these cunts anyway, the only people who should be allowed to dress that stupidly and still go to work are people who work in the music biz. they get away with it cos the whole things just so maaaaaaaaad, y'know? Everyone else should be pushing smasual at the most left field in a place of work. I'm even iffy on hoodies and baggy jeans, fucking kids
- ********0
I don't really think St Martins holds as much clout as they would have you believe. And surely you're above the studio junior level by now kon?
- kelpie0
I see none of you uppity london types has any come back about my stealing work from the provinces chat eh? though not. dicks.
- kelpie0
This thread is right cheering me up by the way.
- ********0
"agencies with greater resource to throw at work"
So do you mean that these jobs are too big for local agencies?
Clients not only want security that their deadlines are going to be met but often they like their ego's stroked by the London visits and the schmoozing that goes on. They like a trip out of the office and a meal at some poncey gaff.
- I guess your salami and brown bread just isn't cutting the mustard old chap!********
- I guess your salami and brown bread just isn't cutting the mustard old chap!
- BaskerviIle0
kelpie, the studio I work for gets work from all around the world because we're part of a network and also because we're big and can handle large size projects. Being part of a network of offices means we can roll out a large project simultaneously in lots of countries. A small studio in Leeds isn't going to be able to cope with that.
- kelpie0
no, I more meant that larger agencies down south would have bigger teams to split work across, reducing teh relative strain on a studio working to win and to complete jobs (so maybe, aye ;D)
Completely agree on teh ego stroke thing. London has a romance that any big cosmopolitan place does, its hard to compete with when the rain is lashing down and the Old Firm fans are singing in the street outside ;)
Truth is its great being in a wee studio up here servicing the myriad cool cultural things that happen here in music, art etc, but the move to expand is the thing that gets pretty tough I think, especially if you don't want to open a london branch.
- kelpie0
Sounds about right Baskerville, and more power to ye. I guess that's what I was meaning.
Please don't get the impression I'm overly moaning, by the way, this is quite interesting to me, I'm more feeling almost whimsically miffed (if thats a thing) about some of the stuff we've lost out on that we were sure we could do, which seems drawn down south by a kind of cultural magnetism more than anything.
- hallelujah0
I, for one
- kelpie0
anyway, at the end of the day when all is said and done: me and Kon could easily take any 4 of you guys in a fight with or without weapons, and that's what really matters, all joking aside.
- you hold the lighter and kon holds the hairspray right?********
- damn. will need a new attack movekelpie
- you hold the lighter and kon holds the hairspray right?
- 23kon0
kelpie
what you said about them stealing our work is right in a way
we got a big london law firm job because they'd seen the stuff we'd done for a scottish law firm.
another thing that probably made them go "ooo" was the cost.
as i'd reckon we were probably a lot cheaper than what a london company (of less par) was charging.so maybe thats something us wee companies outside london need to do - pimp and pitch our wares showing that you can get the job done better for cheaper outside london.
(obv not cheaper ripping ourselves off, just cheaper in relation into living costs/rent etc)what ashame on the hires dude - this conversation hijacking this thread when it should be praising his glory rather than argueing about inside/outside london lol
- LOL @ "STEALING OUR WORK"
Do you shout about black people stealing your women too?******** - people stealing your womens too?********
- LOL @ "STEALING OUR WORK"
- BaskerviIle0
london types could kick you in with their pointy shoes
- Anders0
I liked: 'Three people trapped in infinite politeness'