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- JackRyan0
It smells like burnt lotion in here.
- zaq0
relevant
- yurimon0
It seems that some of you like a centralist type of government or desire an emperor of some type. As long as you can escape the abuses of that type of system of course. The system was designed as a republic so that the many can't infringe on the rights of the few. Non centralized, power in local communities, so if you dont like something you can move somewhere better within the country.
as far as training, I think there is nothing wrong with the system having symbiotic relationship with people. Sure lets have training. lets ensure our national security. probably can cut military costs if we created a symbiotic relationship that ensures rights. You can choose private and have the police train people. Lets do it.
here is a good example.
- good point yurimon. train everyone in correct safety and regulations in grade school. anyone have a prob with that?whhipp
- yurimon0
I have a question. What is more important politics or saving lives?
- copy. paste. post.utopian
- I ♥ you even though you are a hypocrite utopian.yurimon
- Ummm... over 10,000 gun deaths actually.monospaced
- the political focus is on the ar-15
particularly because no one is going after handguns but they has same destructive poweryurimon - they should go after hand guns, those are just as much "murder only" weapons as an assault riflemonospaced
- waterhouse0
Okay, Einstein. Let me help you here:
Yes, in a domestic dispute, there's little protection against a raging spouse or roommate wielding a hammer. But, if a Holmes, Lanza or whomever starts swinging knives in openly populated area, they can be more easily subdued than if they were spraying bullets with semiautomatic efficiency.
- It IS about lives. You know nothing about my political views.waterhouse
- So you have chosen the route of politics cause more people still died of knife attacks then AR15'syurimon
- your are still likely to statistically die of malpractice. remember the terrorist alert system? bet you were scared.yurimon
- Still not talking about psychiatric drugs and mass shootings yet?
anyone?yurimon - No. Because intelligent free-thinkers aren't easily distracted by dangling keys.waterhouse
- I guess you can't answer the question.yurimon
- ukit20
If you really think we are living under a centralized government ruled by an "emperor" that wants to steal your rights, why are you being so lazy? Go out and start the revolution instead of posting on a messageboard.
- Do you read? I said some of you like a centralist gov. reread and try again. holayurimon
- You suggested the Sandy Hook shooting was staged by the government.ukit2
- once you have a pres. writing law without congress then you do have an emperor type scenario.yurimon
- So do you think the government stages mass shootings or notukit2
- mikotondria30
Truth is, I don't care if Obama writes the laws, more than half of congress of petulant, incompetent GOP nut-jobs who elected Mitt Romney to head them up. Millions of people actually voted for Obama rather than the alternative. Congress is more broken than the presidency and the senators at this point. I hope he passes all the executive orders he wants at this point. Any government is better than that bunch of shit-heads.
- So it seems. Its called,. political theater which is the masking of corruption under the guise of incompetence.yurimon
- Exactly. The same shitheads threatening to not pay for the programs/services they authorized.waterhouse
- both parties benefit from the practice because they are all bought and paid for all the way to the top.yurimon
- utopian0
American retards with guns in their home are “43 times more likely” to be murdered in their own home if they own and keep a gun in their home.
God Bless American Ignorance and Arrogance!
http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/10…
*Amen, Baby Jesus and NRA
- whhipp0
@mikotondria3 your statement above is exactly what I am afraid of. You guys feel Obama is the one and only clear thinking human being in this country... you freely give your freedoms up to his authority. You are truly not an American and need to become more aware of history and what this country has come from and is heading. You people will allow for so much more corruption of you dont keep these power hungry and corrupt in check, Yes, this even means your glorious leader Obama.
- *ifwhhipp
- yeah? were you speaking up when dubya was doing what he pleased regardless of what anyone else wanted?monkeyshine
- chossy0
One person went to Sandy Hook and killed 27 people, with a couple of guns.
Not possible to do that with any of the following.
A hammer.
A knife.
Some beers.
A doctor.
- can't do it with a car, aids or drugs eithermonospaced
- it wasnt one person. someone drove him. lol... typo..yurimon
- yet it still not as big of an epidemic as people being killed by cars.. but who cares about people killed by anything other then an ar15yurimon
- then a semi-autoyurimon
- for cars and guns to equate as weapons, the car has to have been used AS a weaponlocustsloth
- death with malicious intent w/guns > death with malicious intent with carslocustsloth
- same with guns. its legal till you abuse it. of course you can live in a society where everyone is guilty till innocent.yurimon
- Misused? The PURPOSE of most of these weapons is to kill people. The purpose of a car is transport.locustsloth
- locustloth is rightmonospaced
- Purpose of Gun is defense. your point?yurimon
- qoob0
" You guys feel Obama is the one and only clear thinking human being in this country... you freely give your freedoms up to his authority. "
There's really nothing special about Obama, the whole first black president thing aside, he simply represents the kind of technocratic bureaucracy that most modern governments run under. The Republican on the other hand are a bunch of reactionary idiots beamed in from the 19th century. We're talking about a party that at various points has been ready to select Rick Santorum or Sarah Palin as their nominee. There is plenty to criticize about the government but handing it over to a party run by backwards ideologues funded by corrupt corporations isn't the answer. If anything, their presence ends up being a distraction that prevents a real dialogue about many issues.
- chossy0
Im pretty sure there are many many more knives in the US than guns. Probably more hammers to. Might be more drivers. In terms of medical malpractice well I guess you would have to work out how many operations / people were treated with potentially killer drugs were carried out in 2011.
Basically comparing guns to knives, hammers boozy drivers and the hospital is something only a fool would do.
- TheBlueOne0
" The system was designed as a republic so that the many can't infringe on the rights of the few."
-whippNo, actually it was set up that way to protect the institution of slavery. But hey, you go on with your ignorant self.
- hey blueballs- i know you were typing with one hand but damn get your citations right... I never wrote this.whhipp
- bluenuts is loosing it. Nice try at history though..yurimon
- You guys are one and the same. Nice try though.TheBlueOne
- teh0
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- albums0
Great, now you've taken to villifying guns in yet another thread. Thank one of your gods that your say is equal to those you disagree with... Irrelevant.
- whhipp0
Good Read.
- TheBlueOne0
"Nice try at history though.."
– yurimonSo you're claiming that without the concessions to slave states - thus protecting the "few" that liked to enslave fellow human beings - the constitution would be ratified by all the states?
There's someone here who is unclear about history and it's not me.
Notes from the COnstirtuitional Convention, 1787:
"Mr. John Rutledge [SC]. If the Convention thinks that North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia, will ever agree to the plan, unless their right to import slaves be untouched, the expectation is vain. The people of those states will never be such fools as to give up so important an interest."
There was even a little thing called the "Civil War" about a hundred years later to attempt to resolve that. You might want to look that one up.
The whole bullshit that Fox.Tea Party people lovve to throw around about "states rights" basically meant special laws to enslave people or we ain't playing in your nation" thing. Funny enough how today the same states that wanted special expections to own human beings "You know protecting the rights of the "slave owning minority" are the same ones that hire the most illegal aliens to pick their crops and support "right to work" laws against workers rights and imposing slave like conditions.
But you know "arrgle bargle FREEDOM libtards!"
- nice out of context rant...republic form of gov does ensure right via constitution nice try thoughyurimon
- wait... tea party is against illegal immigration, so to that point you are off base, its your party that pandors to the illegal workers.whhipp
- That plank? It's in your eye. The only one trying here is you. And it's failing.TheBlueOne
- yurimon0
Stories’ Commentaries on the Constitution, book III, Pgs. 746-747...
§ 1889. The next amendment is: “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
§ 1890. The importance of this article will scarcely be doubted by any persons, who have duly reflected upon the subject. The militia is the natural defence of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace, both from the enormous expenses, with which they are attended, and the facile means, which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers, to subvert the government, or trample upon the rights of the people. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.(1) And yet, though this truth would seem so clear, and the importance of a well regulated militia would seem so undeniable, it cannot be disguised, that among the American people there is a growing indifference to any system of militia discipline, and a strong disposition, from a sense of its burthens, to be rid of all regulations. How it is practicable to keep the people duly armed without some organization, it is difficult to see. There is certainly no small danger, that indifference may lead to disgust, and disgust to contempt; and thus gradually undermine all the protection intended by this clause of our national bill of rights. (2)
1) 1 Tucker’s Black. Comm. App. 300; Rawle on Const. ch. 10, p. 125; 2 Lloyd’s Debates, 219, 220.
2) It would be well for Americans to reflect upon the passage in Tacitus, (Hist. IV. ch. 74): “Nam neque quies sine armis, neque arma,sine stipendiis, neque stipendia sine tributis, haberi queunt.” Is there any escape from a large standing army, but in a well disciplined militia? There is much wholesome instruction on this subject in 1 Black. Comm. ch. 13, p. 408 to 417.
- chossy0
"And yet, though this truth would seem so clear, and the importance of a well regulated militia would seem so undeniable, it cannot be disguised, that among the American people there is a growing indifference to any system of militia discipline, and a strong disposition, from a sense of its burthens, to be rid of all regulations. How it is practicable to keep the people duly armed without some organization, it is difficult to see. There is certainly no small danger, that indifference may lead to disgust, and disgust to contempt; and thus gradually undermine all the protection intended by this clause of our national bill of rights"
- describing you people.whhipp
- You do realise this is talking about gun owners yes?chossy
- "you people". Nice. You can't help iit, can you?TheBlueOne