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- ukit20
^ Can't wait til we "reform" our labor laws the way Ron Paul and the far right wants so America is just like this! Yay freedom!
- And how has labor laws did anything but create a bubble? Might be ok loclaly but globally impossible to control********
- That's not going to happen with or without Ron Paul, genius. Think before you post.********
- And how has labor laws did anything but create a bubble? Might be ok loclaly but globally impossible to control
- ukit20
- how is this our problem? This is a Taiwanese base utilizing cheap labor in China. Similar to our use of illegal immigrants and labor in Mexico- results of NAFTA implemented by Bill Clinton.********
- and labor in Mexico- results of NAFTA implemented by Bill Clinton.********
- And you would like America to be like this too huh? Sounds awesomeukit2
- nope i dont. this is where we are headed. perfect example of socialism and how it doesnt work.********
- huh??? Republicans are against unions, minimum wage increases, benefits, protecting workers. Please, fuck the fuck off.CanHasQBN
- off.CanHasQBN
- you are delusional and have no idea what you stand for.CanHasQBN
- yeah, maybe you missed it, this thread is pretty much dedicated to the demographic of the users. USA.********
- handle wtf are you insanecolin_s
- how is this our problem? This is a Taiwanese base utilizing cheap labor in China. Similar to our use of illegal immigrants and labor in Mexico- results of NAFTA implemented by Bill Clinton.
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@ukit
Lets play a little hypotheitcal. Say you have a job making 50k a year but i will be willing to take your job for 30k. I can do it equally, better or slightly worse, that view is dependant upon the employer. I can take it for less because ive managed too live on 30k happily. Would you compete with me on living at 30k or cry foul and hope for government regulations or unions to make it possible to not undercut you? I think the easy out is to go for regulations and coercion. Peopel are all self interested individuals. The whole altruism is largely lies except for those few who are probably not right in the head. I think you'd act to take whatever measure possible instead of compete. After all you ahve more to lsoe with lifestyle than me gaining.
That envy and desire to cheat a free market system is a problem with free markets. I think that is largely the largest problem with it. It creates a desire for security and protectionism. Only thing to help it is a strong education system. Instead of creating a dumb consumerist labor force preaching the problems of irrational problems capitalism.
Take for example apple. Here is a company that exports all its labor. It strongly uses propaganda leaning advertising to pay exhorbant amounts for hardware that is largely slightly above current day standards. It continually tells people to not learn let us take care of you and make things easier. Dont judge standards above our own. Don't want more jsut be compliant with what we offer you. If you shop around youre a fool. If you find better cheaper hardware and spend the time to use it and benefit youre a fool. I am highly concerned with free market capitalism with the type of education system we have. And i personally use appl success as a barometer. Perhaps the over abundance of choice and lack or increasing anxiety in people at large amounts of choice is lobotimzing people. I dont know. Perhaps its the school systems and social marketing, attention spans, and negative reinforcements of free thought in the current system. I have a lot of issues with it. And still sorting them out and learning from the different dynamics. But i will have to admit capitalism in this current structure, with effective propaganda marketing and low education doesnt look good. But thats where idealism comes in. You have to recognize whats better and strive for it knowing you wont get utopia but striving for it on principles that rationally make sense. All atruistic principles do not make rational sense. How does one survive providing for others at their expense. Its fake a largely christian belief system to promote guilt and social control.
Just think about it. How you would react to competition on you and what methods u would support for a sense of security. Than if you can apply those honestly to larger models on a global scale. Try to understand the difference in perspectives of what is fair from a chinese or indian dude making far less than you but getting by equally as happily as you on it. Difference currecnies and cultures and ideas about lifestyles. Im sure he will think its fucked if u try to lawfully can him from his job as much as you hate him for undercutting you. Life is not equal nor is it fair. You do what you have to even if that means lobbying or unionizing. SHould free rights and worker rights, without gov intervention if you want balance.
Well thats my rant
- Dam i have bad type with beers... Regardless if something didnt make sense and needs clarification there are plenty of things i didnt touch on to try to make********
- are plenty of things i didnt even get into to keep it simple. its so hard to summarize large things in a format people will read********
- read********
- no response from him. it's interesting, apply logic and education to a post and they disappear with no rebuttal********
- worth a damn. See Ramanisky2 and his dipshit posts with a lack of educated response.********
- eat a dick fuckfaceRamanisky2
- Dam i have bad type with beers... Regardless if something didnt make sense and needs clarification there are plenty of things i didnt touch on to try to make
- ********0
- exactly what unions have created. good find deathboy.********
- ehhh.. im prone to think your a party troll handle. and have mixed feelings about your compliments...********
- after all party endorsement turns off minds of one side and by blind cheers of the other... but i guess ill accept it********
- since i havent followed to closely on your views but strike me as sterotypical. i may be wrong********
- understood. no worries. look forward to seeing more posts from you.********
- wow, nice find. what's this from the early 80's. Amazing, not a peep from DrBombay and that crowd.********
- exactly what unions have created. good find deathboy.
- DrBombay0
ah, the nightly rearranging of the deck chairs...
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And one ignored fallacy that drives me insane on the whole theme of driving equality is our standard of living is higher of other countries. In the spirit of equality shouldnt we sink to their levels for balance? WE complain about chinese labor being so low. But wouldnt we need to take in less wages to balance the inconsistency instead of complaining about it. We dont want to do that. But we're happy to complain about their so called plight. Trying to have our cake and eat it too. We say their is some sort of rule or law that can make their style of living equal to ours while having no consequences. We tell oursleves as long as we are disatistied with the conditions of others we can preach equality and still enjoy our conditions. Just so fake and such bullshit. Its either/or. And free markets alleviate the burdens of dictators from making such decisions for such people... Unless they create the false idea such equality exists or is soemthing to be achieved ignoring cause and effects and the string pullers. The fake idea of central planning both parties are striving for. Central planners are no different than the most lobbyied corporations. Both suggest they know what is better for the greater good while everyone plays the game achieving the best possible self interests.
Man i fuckin hate politics... BUt drinking and nothing more pressing to solve tonight has pissed me off. Perhaps its watching the florida debates and seeing the framing of the shenangians from an art director view or what. It all just seems like a game were either party party is only pushing for a downfall of the "greater good". Offer poison as food and poison as cure. Its such opera on a grand scale. Carefully scripted to the blind masses. Makes me say fuck the mindless and ill eat the stupid when the shit hits the fan.
- ukit20
hahaha...let me get this straight, it pisses you off that our standard of living is higher than a third world country? No offense but I think people like yourself are a little divorced from reality with statements like that.
I don't think you would be happy with the results if your theories were actually implemented and taken to their logical extreme.
Would you really rather be living like a worker in China or India and slaving away in a company-owned dorm for $15/day? What would be the benefit of living in a society like that?
- im ok with my standards. i see what created it. im not disillusioned in thinking my standards can magically go for everyone********
- everyone. Ill do what i have to to survive regardless of lifestyle. But prinicplally i wont choose union or gov********
- and 15 dollars a day may be good to those who accept it. The imbalance of lifestyle through wage levels on global scale alter perspective********
- scale alter perspective. most judge solely from their perspective********
- and i may not be happy knowing a level of lifestyle but protectionsim wont help with the balance. ppl preach equality yet ignore the extremes youre talking about********
- equality but ignor ethe extreme your talking about. but thats what theyre striving for********
- the question is what you would do in that hypothetical?********
- thats how i read it.********
- oh and no offense taken********
- exactly deathboy********
- im ok with my standards. i see what created it. im not disillusioned in thinking my standards can magically go for everyone
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@ukit
i get that my current standard of living would go down on the idea of free markets while others would increase. Im actually ok with it. are u? And wouldnt mind the change. i indulge in certain excesses becuase simply i can and not have much reason to not indulge in. What else to do with the money? grow it or invest it? what for? todays culture is preaching ill be covered by others. Why not indulge? I understand it would be detrimental to others fiscally and psycholocially while improving options for those with less. But thats an element of social conditioning. I respect change and the idea of no absolute security. Personally i find security to make us fat and soft. Not all would agree with me, But those that dont shoudnt throw stones in a glass house they have no understanding of, preaching for soem godsend to make them feel less guilty amongst those they have achieved a perceived greater lifestyle than. And of course remembering perceived is the key word. Im sure many poor peasants would disgracefully shake their heads at our lifestyles. You have to take in a larger perspective than what u know. Even if its way of imagination. To truelly empathize and find a sense of understanding.
Dont mean to sound liek a dirty hippie but certain aspects of the 60s early 70s culture makes sense as far as what liberals believe and conservatives. If u have read huxleys island you might no where im coming from. self interst in a small community before its corrupted by the larger collective consumerist cultures. Yes its idealistic and largely impossible to achieve. But doesnt mean i will settle for the standards given us by media agencies and party slogans. Ill strive for the higher than settle on some peddled status quo. If im crazy for that i have to ask what that makes you.
- colin_s0
obama won't be getting my vote (not even sure if i'll vote for president this year, state policies are always important though)... but anyone honestly considering any of the clownish ideas of the GOP being presented to us is obviously not out for a better country but rather a better life for themselves, assuming they make a shit ton of money. considering the complexity of the world we live in, none of the republican propositions hold any water considering long term solutions toward growth and gain in competitive markets.
the state of the union should be interesting though. eager to see if obama actually does come out and declare his support for gay marriage.
- you sound like a lot of people I know. general consensus. Turn on, tune in, drop out********
- you sound like a lot of people I know. general consensus. Turn on, tune in, drop out
- ukit20
Romney pays 13.9% tax rate on $45 million in income
- And your point is? at this point in his life, he's rich. how do you think you get to this point?********
- He's paying $6.2 million in taxes on $45 million. That's a shitload of money and the old adage holds true. Rich pay >********
- Regardless of the %. Also, gave $7 million in charitable contributions. Would you? Regardless of the write off!?********
- And your point is? at this point in his life, he's rich. how do you think you get to this point?
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'Reformer' Gingrich embodies what is wrong with Washington
http://washingtonexaminer.com/op…Gingrich talks incessantly about being a "Reagan conservative" who supports "limited government." That sounds good but the reality is that he cashed $1.6 million worth of checks from Freddie Mac over an eight-year period and gave the government-backed mortgage giant rhetorical fodder to fend off reformers in Congress. The reformers, including President George W. Bush, backed off, and Freddie and Fannie Mae plowed forward -- buying, packaging and reselling hundreds of billions of dollars worth of bad mortgages until the housing bubble burst in 2007. The Great Recession of 2008 followed, and the cost to taxpayers so far is $153 billion and counting. And now Gingrich expects to be taken seriously as a radical reformer of the Washington Establishment?
- haha monotonectally parallel task timely innovation is not always a solution in Washingtontroller
- wow a Democrat troller, how appropriate. I guarantee he'll not be deleted. fucking hypocrites********
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History Will Judge Obama On NDAA
On the last day of 2011, a Saturday when few were paying attention to national affairs, President Obama signed H.R. 1540, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012, into law. The president appended a signing statement saying he approved the new law "despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists," and insisted that "my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens."But it is hard to take Obama at his word. In November, the White House threatened to veto the bill, but Obama did not. And he has made other shifts on national security issues before.
Hey guys, even your beloved ACLU has spoken up..
President Obama Signs Indefinite Detention Into Law
We are extremely disappointed that President Obama signed this bill even though his administration is already claiming overly-broad detention authority in court. Any hope that the Obama administration would roll back those claims dimmed today.Thankfully we have three branches of government, and the final word on the scope of detention authority belongs to the Supreme Court, which has yet to rule on the scope of detention authority. But Congress and the president also have a role to play in cleaning up the mess they have created because no American citizen or anyone else should live in fear of this or any future president misusing the NDAA’s detention authority.
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Oops, here are the links for the above.
Huff Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pe…
ACLU: http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/NDA…Are these good enough / credible (liberal media) sources for ya'll?
- in contrast proactively network an expanded array of value ignored.. hatroller
- BonSeff0
wow, really going out on a limb there pointing out liberals aren't down with Obama keeping gitmo open. bravo
- WTF is it to you? I'm pointing out that the President of the US is a fucking clown, parties aside. Bush Jr. or worse!********
- and it's far worse than just Gitmo, read what was put into that NDAA shit. "Gitmo" alone, please don't make me laugh********
- panacea, if you assertively aggregate interdependent users solutions would be ignored.. ha liberals: 1 - not liberals: 0troller
- liberals: 1 - not liberals: 0troller
- wow how educated of a retort by a troll********
- WTF is it to you? I'm pointing out that the President of the US is a fucking clown, parties aside. Bush Jr. or worse!
- Beeswax0
Romney, the presidential candidate had bank accounts in Switzerland, which he closed in 2010, and accounts in Bermuda and the Cayman Islands.
And he did charitable donations of about 4 million to some Mormon church.So the guy decides to campaign for becoming a president and only after that he decides not to take big amounts of capital out of his country. And he also gives some generous donations to a church to correct his profile in the eyes of his voters.
What I see from this picture is that he is Godless cocksucker and a thief who steals from his country but only when it becomes a matter of presidential elections he decides to play the good samaritan.
I'm not even looking into how he made his fortune using his political powers but what I clearly see is that he is a big douchebag that you can read even from his face.
- you're late to the game pal and you're beloved Obama, you think that he's clean. Chicago Corruption 101 in DC.********
- your beloved, my bad********
- you're late to the game pal and you're beloved Obama, you think that he's clean. Chicago Corruption 101 in DC.
- waterhouse0
^
You may be incorrect in at least one respect. I believe Romney has been a lifetime tither to the LDS church.
- mg330
Romney's taxes/income:
It's funny, I'm really not inclined to blame him for paying 15% in taxes - the tax code makes that possible, and it needs to be changed, but that's another story.
But what I find offensive as fuck is that a human being who made approx. $20 million a year for the past two years, and probably similar earnings in the years before that, can get on a stage and act like they have even the slightest clue about what citizens want or need. That "who let the dogs out" video is just one of what I'm sure are many examples of how out of touch a person like this is with the human race.
- you think he gives a fuck about the working man? his comapnies fucked people for years74LEO
- Re-read my post.mg33
- the loopholes are dreadful, I agree, but don't sit around acting as if the other side doesn't do it. They do! 1%********
- Like Obama does, as well? Get fucking real, see Chicago Corruption 101 unit. Pfffffffffttttt....********
- Barrack Obama is part of the 1% and the tax laws also work on his personal behalf. if he wins, watch the shit that goes********
- down in that four years. It'll make you rue the day you voted for him. Watch! you think the NDAA is bad, watch...********
- Agreed in some parts. But Obama is definitely more in touch with the populace...mg33
- I'm NOT talking about how much people pay. I'm talking about a man like Romney, who has not a financial care in the world, and how it'smg33
- world, actually being in tune enough with real people's problems to give a shit.mg33
- Romney has never had common-man problems in his adult life.mg33
- I think it's audacious when a candidate acts like they can relate to me, when their wallet shows otherwise.mg33
- Obama's wallet doesn't relate either... come on man. Just because he is black doesn't mean he was poor-racial profiling. Get real!********
- profiler. Get real! I dont know why the success is even an issue- think about it-would you want someone who was a failure to run our country?********
- failure to run our country?********
- how the fuck is Obama more in touch with the populace? he's taking the populace for a ride. you've been duped.********
- ukit20
The problem for Romney is that his policies call for lowering taxes on the rich...he will have to stand on stage with Obama at debates and argue for lowering taxes on the rich when he pays 13%
- hey bright eyes, how much do you think Barrack Hussein Obama pays!? You think it's more? Tax bracket genius.********
- in reality, Obama is just saying it for the vote, but in his heart he's glad it exist, he wants it to exist, you are kidding yourself********
- much like you were kidding yourself, along with the rest of the Dems that voted for him. He's just as much out of touch********
- You said Hussein, that is why I can't take you seriously.DrBombay
- its his fucking middle name you assface! Hussein Hussein Hussein live with it buddy.********
- Does JazX have 2 usernames now?DrBombay
- hey bright eyes, how much do you think Barrack Hussein Obama pays!? You think it's more? Tax bracket genius.
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- get fucking real, this guys just as much of an asshole as Bush, you can't stand to admit, that's the real problem, denial********
- Unfortunately this is the mainstream position in Washington and has been since 9/11. Nothing new.ukit2
- Anyway didn't you support Bush and the Iraq War?ukit2
- They see me trollin
They hatin Patrollingutopian
- get fucking real, this guys just as much of an asshole as Bush, you can't stand to admit, that's the real problem, denial
- ukit20
Analysis of Romney's tax policies:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/20…
Specifically, it would be a tax hike for everybody making less than $40,000, and the lower your income, the bigger a percentage of it would go to paying for the Romney tax hike.
Everybody else would get a tax cut, but unless you make more than $100,000, the tax cut would be quite modest, ranging from as little as $27 to as much as $490. That's not nothing, but for those making more than $1 million, the Romney tax cut would average $145,568.
But the numbers that struck me most were these: on average, every American would receive a $1,064 tax cut. But the top 1% would receive on average an $82,188 tax cut and the top 0.1% would receive a $464,005 tax cut. Do a little math and you'll see that 77% of Mitt Romney's tax cut would go to the top 1%—and 44% would go to the top 0.1%.
Oh, and that's not all—the tax cut would also add to the deficit.
