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- utopian0
- nice sig...inteliboy
- i was studying that signature too, I never noticed his penmanship beforefooler2
- little nervous with the pen********
- He writes like a lefty.luckyorphan
- ...um...no pun intended.luckyorphan
- he signed it with 22 pens, so he only did a bit of a letter with each, that's why it looks like thatlocustsloth
- going to call in sick and use thisBattleAxe
- utopian0
- Well, I guess size does matter.utopian
- nice! dems need more tags like this.74LEO
- The Repubs love a man's package when they're behind closed doorsJosev
- First Rahm, now BO. Dang, Dem's are packin'.luckyorphan
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http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/201…
Another day, two new polls showing the American people are strongly against the health care plan President Barack Obama will sign into law today. According to CNN, 59% of Americans oppose President Obama’s plan. And according to CBS News, 48% of Americans oppose the plan (with 33% in strong opposition) compared to only 37% who support it (with only 13% in strong support). Digging deeper into the CBS poll, we find that 76% of Americans disapprove of how Congress is handling its job on health care, 46% think Congress has spent too much time on health care, and 49% believe the rules and procedures used in Congress to get the current health care bill passed have been mostly unfair.- pshaw...they're only numbers dude, come on...get with it. lighten up. (sarcasm intended)zenmasterfoo
- This took place before the bill got signed, I already posted a newer poll two pages back.ukit
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Hipsters on Food Stamps
http://www.salon.com/life/pinche…
Magida, a 30-year-old art school graduate, had been installing museum exhibits for a living until the recession caused arts funding -- and her usual gigs -- to dry up. She applied for food stamps last summer, and since then she's used her $150 in monthly benefits for things like fresh produce, raw honey and fresh-squeezed juices from markets near her house in the neighborhood of Hampden, and soy meat alternatives and gourmet ice cream from a Whole Foods a few miles away."I'm eating better than I ever have before," she told me. "Even with food stamps, it's not like I'm living large, but it helps."
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This isn't any of you is it? Tisk, tisk, tisk...- Not really sure what you are objecting to here. Would you rather she buy TV dinners filled wit unnatural shit?locustsloth
- I'd rather she get a job....it's called adaptability. something opponents of coal mining tell town folk who subsist on that industry to do - and that's called hypocrisy.zenmasterfoo
- industry to do - and that's called hypocrisy.zenmasterfoo
- I didn't see the issue of coal mining in that story at all.DrBombay
- So hypocrisy? Not really sure. If she mentioned coal mining then maybe? otherwise...DrBombay
- ha ha look at all the comments********
- Our tax dollars at work!********
- I live in hampden, and this is not surprising.R_Kercz
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There is nothng to see here move on, move on...keep talkng about health care...move on...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focu…- Next up..immigration reform.zenmasterfoo
- Well, Republicans goal to keep us in a perpetual state of war seems to be working..IRNlun6
- yes the republicans....its all there fault!!!! sad fooooool!********
- it's "their", you fucking dildo!DrBombay
- Right, because supporting another countries conservative parties settlement expansion policy is not that big a deal //IRNlun6
- Dr. doosh, whats it like to cry your self to sleep at nite? and then wake up in a puddle of piss and your dads jizz on your chin!!!!********
- Move to Israel if you are so worried about the country.DrBombay
- You are so offended by the slightest word uttered about poor obama...its always racist....but you have not one care about a country surrounded by people who's soul goal in life is to hate them and kill them....maybe you dont like jews! maybe you are a racist...maybe you are just a dick i dont know...what i do know, is it must get tough trying to fit into your moms panties everyday! you should stop, before she catches you, giant head!********
- I made no remarks related to race, you fucking tit.DrBombay
- Sure yo didnt clown shoe!********
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- Kindergarten just called...
They want their Dunce hat back!utopian - Pull it out of your smelly cunt and i will hand it in for you!********
- Kindergarten just called...
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What was the most positive result of the "Cash for clunkers" program? It took 95% of the Obama bumper stickers off the road. -David Letterman.
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They want their Dunce hat back!utopian
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- robotron3k0
wait for the wipe@ 00:14
- Sup0
@subcommandante
You FAIL you limp cock, as Brown was elected sometime around 1/20/10. Yes, this is when your "Man-Cock" went limp. Oh, but you slammed some Viagra® and your penis realized a "dead-cat bounce" to lead us to now. NO GAIN. さようなら
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- mg330
OK - here's the thing. I need to stand my ground against someone on this subject but have not done a ton of research.
Will someone please tell me how this affects ME in my present situation: work for a 50,000 person public company, great health insurance, good salary, don't really worry about affording typical healthcare expenses that come my way.
I'm having an argument with someone giving me the whole "What happened to 'We the people' and how can you be comfortable with the government making these decisions for us?"
My take on this is that I don't see this affecting me that much in the short term. I don't see it as a decision being made for "me," but a decision being made for those who cannot make it for themselves.
Thoughts? Thanks.
- wait until you lose your jobfooler2
- Most starightforward rundown I've seen of what's in the bill http://www.thedailyb…ukit
- Mimio0
Getting everyone insured is the only way to control costs. Right now we have a "back-door" social system where the average uninsured person costs the system $1,800 on average per year. Letting the insurance companies set the bar high to avoid "undesirable"(re: people who cannot afford their products) customers is basically costing Medicare ( you and I) to cover these costs with taxes and higher service costs at provider facilities.
- yep and singed into law under LBJ (D): http://en.wikipedia.…)********
- I don't the country is having buyer's remorse over Medicare.Mimio
- Go ahead and try and take it away.Mimio
- yep and singed into law under LBJ (D): http://en.wikipedia.…)
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Dingell: Obamacare will 'control the people'
- ukit0
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB…
Republicans Begin Strategy Rethink
"The Obama administration's passage of a sweeping health-care revamp has scrambled Republicans' strategic calculations on Capitol Hill, forcing the GOP to decide whether to maintain its largely unified opposition to Democratic proposals.
On key pieces of legislation, including a revamp of financial rules and a rewrite of the No Child Left Behind education law, some Republicans are either explicitly on board or could soon be so.
Rep. John Kline of Minnesota, the top Republican on the House Education and Labor Committee, said that while he has some concerns about Mr. Obama's plan, "I'm still very supportive."
On an overhaul of financial regulations, which is currently before the Senate, Democrats and even some senior Senate Republican aides think a handful of Republicans will vote for legislation, which could pass the Senate by Memorial Day. Republicans have faced challenges in trying to present a unified position on the bill, given the dicey political prospect of appearing to side with big Wall Street banks.
Following the enactment of the health-care revamp, some Republicans have said the party should have sought to negotiate, instead of offering blanket opposition, to win concessions."
- ukit0
http://corner.nationalreview.com…
America has just witnessed an unconscionable abuse of power. President Obama has betrayed his oath to the nation — rather than bringing us together, ushering in a new kind of politics, and rising above raw partisanship, he has succumbed to the lowest denominator of incumbent power: justifying the means by extolling the ends. He promised better; we deserved better.
He calls his accomplishment “historic” — in this he is correct, although not for the reason he intends. Rather, it is an historic usurpation of the legislative process — he unleashed the nuclear option, enlisted not a single Republican vote in either chamber, bribed reluctant members of his own party, paid-off his union backers, scapegoated insurers, and justified his act with patently fraudulent accounting. What Barack Obama has ushered into the American political landscape is not good for our country; in the words of an ancient maxim, “what starts twisted, ends twisted.”
His health-care bill is unhealthy for America. It raises taxes, slashes the more private side of Medicare, installs price controls, and puts a new federal bureaucracy in charge of health care. It will create a new entitlement even as the ones we already have are bankrupt. For these reasons and more, the act should be repealed. That campaign begins today.
— Mitt Romney is the former governor of Massachusetts and author of No Apology.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/ed…
Health Care for Everyone?
We've found a way.Only weeks after I was elected governor, Tom Stemberg, the founder and former CEO of Staples, stopped by my office. He told me, "If you really want to help people, find a way to get everyone health insurance." I replied that would mean raising taxes and a Clinton-style government takeover of health care. He insisted: "You can find a way."
I believe that we have. Every uninsured citizen in Massachusetts will soon have affordable health insurance and the costs of health care will be reduced. And we will need no new taxes, no employer mandate and no government takeover to make this happen.
When I took up Tom's challenge, I assembled a team from business, academia and government and asked them first to find out who was uninsured, and why. What they found was surprising. Some 20% of the state's uninsured population qualified for Medicaid but had never signed up. So we built and installed an Internet portal for our hospitals and clinics: When uninsured individuals show up for treatment, we enter their data online. If they qualify for Medicaid, they're enrolled.
Another 40% of the uninsured were earning enough to buy insurance but had chosen not to do so. Why? Because it is expensive, and because they know that if they become seriously ill, they will get free or subsidized treatment at the hospital. By law, emergency care cannot be withheld. Why pay for something you can get free?
Of course, while it may be free for them, everyone else ends up paying the bill, either in higher insurance premiums or taxes. The solution we came up with was to make private health insurance much more affordable. Insurance reforms now permit policies with higher deductibles, higher copayments, coinsurance, provider networks and fewer mandated benefits like in vitro fertilization--and our insurers have committed to offer products nearly 50% less expensive. With private insurance finally affordable, I proposed that everyone must either purchase a product of their choice or demonstrate that they can pay for their own health care. It's a personal responsibility principle.
Some of my libertarian friends balk at what looks like an individual mandate. But remember, someone has to pay for the health care that must, by law, be provided: Either the individual pays or the taxpayers pay. A free ride on government is not libertarian.
Another group of uninsured citizens in Massachusetts consisted of working people who make too much to qualify for Medicaid, but not enough to afford health-care insurance. Here the answer is to provide a subsidy so they can purchase a private policy. The premium is based on ability to pay: One pays a higher amount, along a sliding scale, as one's income is higher. The big question we faced, however, was where the money for the subsidy would come from. We didn't want higher taxes; but we did have about $1 billion already in the system through a long-established uninsured-care fund that partially reimburses hospitals for free care. The fund is raised through an annual assessment on insurance providers and hospitals, plus contributions from the state and federal governments.
To determine if the $1 billion would be enough, Jonathan Gruber of MIT built an econometric model of the population, and with input from insurers, my in-house team crunched the numbers. Again, the result surprised us: We needed far less than the $1 billion for the subsidies. One reason is that this population is healthier than we had imagined. Instead of single parents, most were young single males, educated and in good health. And again, because health insurance will now be affordable and subsidized, we insist that everyone purchase health insurance from one of our private insurance companies.
And so, all Massachusetts citizens will have health insurance. It's a goal Democrats and Republicans share, and it has been achieved by a bipartisan effort, through market reforms.
Two other features of the plan reduce the rate of health-care inflation. Medical transparency provisions will allow consumers to compare the quality, track record and cost of hospitals and providers; given deductibles and coinsurance, these consumers will have the incentive and the information for market forces to influence behavior. Also, electronic health records are in the works, which will reduce medical errors and lower costs.
How much of our health-care plan applies to other states? A lot. Instead of thinking that the best way to cover the uninsured is by expanding Medicaid, they can instead reform insurance.
Mr. Romney is governor of Massachusetts.
- mg330
"Following the enactment of the health-care revamp, some Republicans have said the party should have sought to negotiate, instead of offering blanket opposition, to win concessions"
EXACTLY. They offered nothing. It was less about opposing healthcare and more about opposing Obama in an effort to rekindle party-loyalty and fury amongst conservatives.
- Sup0
@mg33
Repost from the previous page concerning your cushy fucking job and how ObamaCare® might affect "ME" (you).Just heard the CEO of a small medical device company state that ObamaCare® will cost him $10,000,000 per year. He plans to pass that cost onto his customers, resulting in higher prices (I repeat... higher prices). In addition to this, he will also likely slow head-count and cut back in R&D. Yep, way to go NoBama©.
(mg33, pay attention to this part VERY closely)
Oh, and by the way, in case you didn't know, ObamaCare® will cost Caterpillar Inc. $100,000,000 in added cost. Just multiply this by the Fortune 500® and tell me how many jobs this will cost, and how high that inflation and prices may rise, and fucking so on.
- ukit0
"Does posting these lengthy pieces of editorial bullshit filler make you feel better?"
What? I posted two editorials by the guy Republicans plan to nominate in two years.
- ukit0
Apparently Republicans intend to nominate a raging, pro-gay liberal in 2012. Not sure whether this means Republicans are secret libs, or just incredibly ignorant.
"We're spending a billion dollars giving health care to people who don't have insurance," Romney says. "And my question was: Could we take that billion dollars and help the poor purchase insurance? Let them pay what they can afford. We'll subsidize what they can't."
http://www.npr.org/templates/sto…
"I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country,"
http://www.politifact.com/truth-…
"I do not believe that indexing the minimum wage will cost us jobs. I believe it will help us retain jobs."
"I am a supporter of the federal assault weapons ban. I don't think [the waiting period] will have a massive effect on crime but I think it will have a positive effect."
"[As] we seek to establish full equality for American gay and lesbian citizens, I will provide more effective leadership than [Ted Kennedy]."
"There will be children born to same-sex couples, and adopted by same-sex couples, and I believe that there should be rights and privileges associated with those unions and with the children that are part of those unions."
http://www.massresistance.org/do…
"Mitt wishes you a great Pride weekend! All citizens deserve equal rights, regardless of their sexual preference."
- BattleAxe0
Cant' seem to find a link posted back about challenging the Mandate for citizens to carry health ins .
If I read it correctly , while you may not be denied on to a health ins plan for a pre-existing condition , they can STILL choose not to cover the treatment for it????
did I read that right, it was a link about challenging the mandate