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- ukit0
Breaking story from AP...
"New Dem health plan has public option, lower cost"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090…
Democrats on a key Senate Committee outlined a revised and far less costly health care plan Wednesday night that includes a government-run insurance option and an annual fee on employers who do not offer coverage to their workers.
The plan carries a 10-year price tag of slightly over $600 billion, and would lead toward an estimated 97 percent of all Americans having coverage, according to the Congressional Budget Office, Sens. Edward M. Kennedy and Chris Dodd said in a letter to other members of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee. The AP obtained a copy.
By contrast, an earlier, incomplete proposal carried a price tag of roughly $1 trillion and would have left millions uninsured, CBO analysts said in mid-June.
The letter indicated the cost and coverage improvements resulted from two changes. The first calls for a government-run health insurance option to compete with private coverage plans, an option that has drawn intense opposition from Republicans.
"We must not settle for legislation that merely gestures at reform," the two Democrats wrote. "We must deliver on the promise of true change."- Whatever. Geez, $600 billion is allot better that 1 Trillion, NOT. You idiots just don't get it, do you?********
- Anything to 'sell' it to you sheeple. Funny how the price tag on this keeps getting smaller....tommyo
- But that should raise any red flags for you I guess. I have a house to sell you worth 400k.. oh you don't like that.. I meantommyo
- it's worth 300k.. oh too much.. sorry it's worth 200k. I'd be worried about what I'm going to find buried in the backyard.tommyo
- You have no other ideas, so shut the fuck up.DrBombay
- you don't like taxes, we get it already. Move on. They aren't going away.DrBombay
- You don't get it and you attack me for it. Fuck you and your dream of suckling from momma governments tit. Lazy cunt.tommyo
- I have worked solid since I was 12... Stay within the boundaries of reality, you dumb cunt.DrBombay
- Whatever. Geez, $600 billion is allot better that 1 Trillion, NOT. You idiots just don't get it, do you?
- TheBlueOne0
Wasn't sure how to read the tea leaves in the whole Honduras mess, although I was guessing it was more of a oligarch coup than anything to do with democracy-at-work, they're new "coup congress" just issued some new "emergency" laws which stripped Hondurans of the following rights from the country's constitution:
1. The right to protest.
2. Freedom in one's home from unwarranted search, seizure and arrest.
3. Freedom of association.
4. Guarantees of rights of due process while under arrest.
5. Freedom of transit in the country.Uh huh. Have the military take out the poor peoples populist president and install your own guys. Oligarch Coup 101. Not saying the guy disposed was all peaches and honey, but this is not democracy in action folks.
- they are not going down with-out a fight of their own http://narcosphere.n…BattleAxe
- ********0
^ Once again, Obama is silent. What a pansy he is, seriously.
- Yeah, not a tough guy like Bush!DrBombay
- OK.
http://www.bloomberg…TheBlueOne - For a guy with the name "TruthHurts" you spends lots of time avoiding it like the pussy you are, Will.TheBlueOne
- pointless comparing him to Bush, if he was the prez people think he is he'd be betterlazerbass
- Point is, Bush used to not be a pansy and look where that got us.DrBombay
- JonnyPompa0
BROADER UNEMPLOYMENT RATE HIT 16.5% IN JUNE
- But..but..Wall Street is having a great year and giving out huge bonuses? How is this possible?TheBlueOne
- Ask Obama, or Geithner.********
- What does Wall St. do anyway? What do they produce?JonnyPompa
- They produce debt, our last national resource.tommyo
- lazerbass0
This plant defines this day and age, its a huge part of the sollution to the medical problems, the prison, personal freedom, pollution/sustainability, economic/corruption, peace issues this world has to deal with. Happy Canabis Day!
- ukit0
I propose solving all of our fiscal problems in one fell swoop by legalizing drugs, prostitution and gambling.
- hear hearBattleAxe
- Herb isn't even in the same categories as those other destructive excessive stufflazerbass
- Herb isn't completely harmless, you could get lung cancer.ukit
- pffft...ok...there's exatly zero cancer causing agents in weed and not one cancer case linked to it like everlazerbass
- OK...you don't think inhaling smoke on a regular basis is bad for your lungs? C'mon dude. I'm not against it, I'm just sayingukit
- its not just "smoke" its whats IN THE SMOKE that causes cancer. inhaling smoke isnt' good for you but you WON"T get cancer with weed smokelazerbass
- ...get cancer with weed smoke. You won't be able to run a marathon trust me but cancer? please, go home old woman.lazerbass
- oh snap!IRNlun6
- ...I can't believe I just wrote that.IRNlun6
- designbot0
I used to think legalizing pot was a good idea, but after doing some research I changed my view. Read up on the countries where pot is legal, and what the effect is....pretty interesting. Something to remember is that weed CAN still cause some major health issues for people who smoke it, though it may pale in comparison to other harder drugs.
I don't think police should enforce busting kids with small amounts of weed or really enforcing the laws against pot much, but I don't think it should be legal either. In Colorado, I already notice that cops don't seem to really care about it anymore.
- mmm k...I'd love to see the research connecting a countries problems directly to legal herblazerbass
- Alcohol can also cause major health issuesJosev
- Yes, .I'd love to see the research connecting a country's problems directly to legal herb too.********
- I don't think this data would exist in developed countries. Alcohol is way more destructive.********
- arguing that alcohol can be harmful too is a moot point.designbot
- vitamins can be fatal when taken in large doses too...designbot
- yeah, but how many people do you know who have had their lives ruined by vitamins?Josev
- ukit0
Yeah, I don't smoke pot personally, or gamble, or hire prostitutes, but, if it's gonna happen...why not regulate/ tax it?
I don't see how life would be all that different except that you would have millions of people not locked up in prison wasting government money, you would put some criminal groups out of existence.
- I don't either....I guess the argument would be these things could be detrimental to society.designbot
- minus religion and moral law is still a very important part of a healthy society.designbot
- They've been part of our society since the start of society. The detriment is the stigma associated with keeping it illegal.IRNlun6
- ... it illegal.IRNlun6
- i totally get it now ukit.. you NEED to smoke some weed and quit being a complacent zombiebliznutty
- robotron3k0
"white folk are ready to rise up and I'm joinin' um"
- lazerbass0
junk food of all sorts is actually very physically/mentally addictive and has been connected directly to numerous health and financial problems and deaths and is basically disgusting and wastful and kills rain forrests and ...oh never mind its besides the point...LEGALIZE HERB!
- BattleAxe0
yes making decriminalization does not mean something is legal ,
if I am 20 , Alcohol is illegal
if I am 17 Tobacco is illegalif I am 21 and buy Alcohol for a minor , I broke the law
so Alcohol is not legal either but it is available and regulated
let me smoke in peace , and stop making a criminal out of me just sitting on my couch playing Left4Dead
- and no I was not stoned when i wrote this..BattleAxe
- i was when I read it.zenmasterfoo
- I was stoned when I posted all of the above. For the record.lazerbass
- "sitting on my couch playing Left4Dead" LOL! good game.designbot
- ********0
"Point is, Bush used to not be a pansy and look where that got us."
I am so tired of responses such as the eloquent DrBombay's above. You Ds continue to use the same Bush bashing rhetoric and its just plain appalling.
Look where Bush got us? Well then, o.k., I encourage you to post your short list (good or bad) right here, right now so that we can begin the debate.
Then, let's compare where "Bush got us" (in eight years mind you), with where Obama has taken us in just 6 short months.
This way, we can move forward, and likely in the context that this IS Obama's presidency now, and that HE shall take full responsibility for the decisions that he is making.
Sound cool? Fair? Then let the fun begin.
- You just basically asked for someone to kick your ass.. there were mountains of bad that Bush did man. Mountains.tommyo
- Like?********
- The money pit that is Iraq... If there was nothing else this should shut your fucking coors hole.DrBombay
- That was a strategic blunder of gigantic proportions that just keeps on giving.DrBombay
- Patriot Act I & IIBattleAxe
- T.A.R.PIRNlun6
- TheBlueOne0
Sometimes you get the government you deserve.
- Your damn right on this one. US schools need to get back teaching the fundamentals already!!!********
- You didn't graduate from high school!DrBombay
- And you can't comprehend simple concepts, both of you are dumb dumbs.tommyo
- Go get a room and fuck already.tommyo
- You're both idiots, it's just that you're polar opposite idiots with nothing but a super soaker full of rhetoric. And quite frankly I'mtommyo
- tired of watching you buffoons hosing each other down like 12 year old school girls. Eeessssh I got shit to do, fuck the both of you.tommyo
- in your fucking eyes. Maybe then you can see where each of you is cummin from then. I hate you Politics thread.tommyo
- But no in all seriousness, you both are the dumbest cunts I've ever met in a forum. Not joking. You both should be kept fromtommyo
- procreating. Seriously that would be one bill that could bring bipartisanship to all of Congress. The subject of yourtommyo
- collective ability to legally make babies could seriously fix this country. Erasing the idea of 'aisle' making the country whole.tommyo
- I want to shave paint chips off of chinese toys and fix you both dinner one night.tommyo
- You wash your hands of the politics thread daily, just bite the bullet and get the fuck out, Archie Bunker.DrBombay
- When are you cunts free?tommyo
- Archie Bunker is the best you can come up with? God you're such an idiot. I'll just hate the school system for you, moron.tommyo
- Cause I doubt you even know who to blame any more, with your one brain cell trying to stay warm all alone.tommyo
- I should send you some transcripts, Tommy. It would probably surprise you.DrBombay
- Archie Bunker, ha! Yeah I'm just a washed up racist to you. Keep crafting your own reality, see where it gets you.tommyo
- Well, that went well.TheBlueOne
- Send em and while you're at it go ahead and send me your yearbook. I'd love to see if your head has grown any or if it's alwaystommyo
- Oh Archie!!!!DrBombay
- always been the size of Texas. I don't know why your lack of mental capability makes me mad, but fuck you.tommyo
- All you care about is money, that is your entire world. It's shallow as shit and you wallow in it.DrBombay
- Miserable piece of shit cry baby wants to be taken care of by his president. What are you going to do when you ultimately findtommyo
- out that it's actually you who fucked up your life?tommyo
- I have been working since I was 12, steadily. But to you I am lazy and want to live off of the government, snap back into reality.DrBombay
- reality.DrBombay
- haha what, a year we've been at this and all I care about is money? Hey if that's how your simple one-step brain workstommyo
- At least argue honestly you money hungry shallow piece of shit.DrBombay
- I'll just stop trying to clarify your characterizations. Done. Fuck you.tommyo
- All you ever talk about is your taxes. That is fucking it. Everyone here can attest to that.DrBombay
- I hope you die penniless and alone.DrBombay
- It will teach you a lesson that money isn't everything.DrBombay
- hands down this is the funniest note of all time.kona
- Your damn right on this one. US schools need to get back teaching the fundamentals already!!!
- ********0
Just watched a fascinating interview with Lynn Tilton. She basically sad that the TARP is a total failure thus far and that the economy is nowhere near feeling the kind of hurt that lurks ahead.
But wait, yesterday Obama proclaimed "mission accomplished" concerning the bailout (LIAR).
I believe Ms. Tilton, and as the American people begin to wise-up, which they most certainly are, Obama and the rest of those crooks won't have anywhere to hide.
- ********0
Where are all those jobs to be "saved or created", just wondering?
- ukit0
Poll Watch: Quinnipiac National Political Survey
Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as president?
Approve 57% (59%)
Disapprove 33% (31%)Among Independents
Approve 52% (57%)
Disapprove 37% (30%)Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling the economy?
Approve 52%
Disapprove 42%Among Independents
Approve 47%
Disapprove 46%Who do you trust to do a better job handling the economy – President Obama or the Republicans in Congress?
President Obama 54%
Republicans in Congress 32%Among Independents
President Obama 49%
Republicans in Congress 32%Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling foreign policy?
Approve 55%
Disapprove 35%Among Independents
Approve 54%
Disapprove 37%Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling health care?
Approve 46%
Disapprove 42%Among Independents
Approve 37%
Disapprove 48%Do you approve or disapprove of President Obama’s nomination of Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court?
Approve 54% (55%)
Disapprove 26% (25%)Among Independents
Approve 47% (53%)
Disapprove 28% (26%)Favorable / Unfavorable [Net]
Barack Obama 58% / 30% [+28%]
Democratic Party 42% / 42% [0%]
Republican Party 25% / 52% [-27%]Among Independents
Barack Obama 55% / 33% [+22%]
Democratic Party 30% / 49% [-19%]
Republican Party 20% / 57% [-37%]Would you say that Barack Obama is doing a better job as president than you expected, a worse job, or about what you expected?
Better 18%
Worse 14%
About expected 64%Among Independents
Better 13%
Worse 17%
About expected 66%Do you approve or disapprove of the way the Democrats in Congress are handling their job?
Approve 38% (43%)
Disapprove 50% (45%)Among Independents
Approve 27% (33%)
Disapprove 61% (52%)Do you approve or disapprove of the way the Republicans in Congress are handling their job?
Approve 29% (30%)
Disapprove 57% (56%)Among Independents
Approve 24% (26%)
Disapprove 62% (59%)If the 2010 election for U.S. House of Representatives were being held today, would you vote for – the Republican candidate or the Democratic candidate in your district?
Democrat 42% (42%)
Republican 34% (32%)Among Independents
Republican 28% (26%)
Democrat 28% (29%)- Does anyone suspect that Obama's decision making about the economy is flawed?robotron3k
- I do.********
- ukit0
One of the Republican leaders in the Senate sides with the military leaders in the Honduras coup...
Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) has come out in support of the military coup in Honduras, chastising President Obama in a statement for what he calls "a slap in the face to the people" of that country.
- we ain't got no interest in that place anyway, they ain't got no oil. and average yearly wage is $4200 per year...robotron3k
- robotron3k0
Oh GRREEAATT!!!... Now the Senate wants to sponsor a bill that fines those who refuse health care coverage... Now I really want to know when the white people gonna riot!.... shame on them for trying to sneak this one through before NK shoots off it's 7/4/09 nuke.
"Senate bill fines people refusing health coverage
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Americans who refuse to buy affordable medical coverage could be hit with fines of more than $1,000 under a health care overhaul bill unveiled Thursday by key Senate Democrats looking to fulfill President Barack Obama's top domestic priority.
The Congressional Budget Office estimated the fines will raise around $36 billion over 10 years. Senate aides said the penalties would be modeled on the approach taken by Massachusetts, which now imposes a fine of about $1,000 a year on individuals who refuse to get coverage. Under the federal legislation, families would pay higher penalties than individuals.
In a revamped health care system envisioned by lawmakers, people would be required to carry health insurance just like motorists must get auto coverage now. The government would provide subsidies for the poor and many middle-class families, but those who still refuse to sign up would face penalties....'
- That's what MA has and it sucks. yes, every can get healthcare, but it's expensive and for me covers nothing until I pay a high deductible.Josev
- I pay a high deductible. I pay close to $500 a month and then have a 2400 deductible. Mitt Romney pushed this through for the presidential election.Josev
- through for the presidential election.Josev
- What utter crapTheBlueOne
- ukit0
haha N Korea isn't shooting a nuke dude just a missile
slightly different thing there
- JonnyPompa0
The one thing is that when you step back and look at the big picture,
it's obvious that our politicians are either completely incompetent
or dangerously evil. We are fucked