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- TheBlueOne0
Look you little wet behind the ear dickwad, my buddy has been in the same band for 20 years, been on three record labels, fed a family and toured the world many times over. He might not be in all your emo magazines but that's called "Having a career." Fuck off. Let's see where Trail of the Dead or whatever they are is in 20 years. I'm betting they'll be wearing suits working for a marketing company somewhere or writing music for video games. Or working in guitar center...
- vague0
"emo magazines".
r o f l.
and by the way, you trouncing on ...Trail of dead is just absolutely hysterical, considering that besides their most recent album, they're one of the most incredible indie rock bands today.
i also find it funny that you continue to harp on that one example, but keep on touting your buddy's deathmetal band.
- Zzzzzz...you bore me son.TheBlueOne
- I like the way you use "indie rock" like it means something.TheBlueOne
- yeah. it means not a fucking commercial 800 monster like U2, you dumb bastardvague
- which is completely irrelevant to "bands" and "touring"vague
- vague0
and if you're like to continue to press your buddy's inconsequential absolutely incomparable death-metal band, just read up on any interview with Converge members (though I cant even expect you to know who they are by this point, pitifully) and they will attest to the losses accrued via touring and just how painstaking it is to get ahead in that cut of the business anyway.
- Just because Converge can't manage to run a business has no consequence...TheBlueOne
- TheBlueOne0
If in 20 years "Trail of the Dead" is still a band of brothers making music, survinig the ups and downs of a career and feeding their families with their music you drop me a line.
I kinda doubt it.
- vague0
funnily, this still has absolutely nothing to do with how touring is generally a money sink-hole for 99% of every aspiring artist out there, whether its rock, hiphop, whatever the fuck.
- Agreed.TheBlueOne
- Agreed, but you've sent everything into insults. So this thread won't bounce back easy.jfletcher
- TheBlueOne0
And I know who Converge is.
- mrdobolina0
Vague, does the band wear women's jeans? I only like emo bands that wear women's jeans.
- TheBlueOne0
Let's compare:
Converge's latest album sales rank at amazon: #165,281
My buddy's "shitty little death meta" band sales rank: #108,094
And anyway, I'm saying touring is actually a source of income as long as your not kneecapped by a record company. The industry is changing and only the idiots who wrap themselves in shitty contracts to labels get kneecapped while touring.
Yeah. Exactly.
- jfletcher0
vague - you're very angry, I wonder what you do for a living. Nice way to start a conversation w/ "dumb fuck".
It seems to me you're not very knowledgable about anything (including design) and you hide behind insults and trying to be an internet bully, which is just useless.
I don't know why you need to send everything into a pointless insult, it just shows immaturity.So please, send some more out, it seems to be all you know how to do.
- SteveJobs0
remind conrad to tell arnold that the bicycle shop owner is NOT to be trusted.
- gramme0
Hmm, OK so this thread, of all threads, is still going. Because that makes sense.
- ...as opposed to much more harmless threads, i mean.gramme
- Yeah, well...OK, see you embarrassed me there...TheBlueOne
- hahahahaha, I'm learning a lot about rockstarts! shush!jfletcher
- rockstars! damn spelling!jfletcher
- jfletcher0
I'm digging <em>Swallow the Sun</em> lately... really nice!
- TheBlueOne0
Oops. I'll be a man and stand corrected here. Converge's latest full album is actually at #30,683 (I used their 2005 album there, missed the 2006 release). I was wrong, But fuck it your example band was on Epitaph records, my buddy's is on Century Media, both legit middle labels. All I'm saying is that bands can and do make money touring, more than they do on record sales.
- tasty0
Bands must pay all their debts first. to record labels, producers, merch costs, tour managers and every other person who has their hands in it first. A band could spend years making next to nothing while paying off all these people.
Luckily with the advances in home recording, web promotion like myspace and other services that allow you to post music and freely distribute your songs at your own will you can build a fan base and keep your costs down, avoiding paying everyone with their hands fishing around in a record label looking for a chunk of change.
This will in turn, bring people out to your tour and depending on your fan base you will make money on merch sales and gaurentee for the night. Teens buy more than twenty somethings.
Then you put the money back into gas, van repair, food, and more merch and promotion.
Moral of the story do music for the love of it. and if it pays off you will be nothing but grateful for your trials and tribulations.
- TheBlueOne0
- At least that's what I was picturing for this whole thread.TheBlueOne
- Yay! I love Christian Siriano!pantone
- jfletcher0
I know my band has made jack and I've lost a good amount playing shows... but I wouldn't call us professionals or a "touring" band. It's mostly something I do because I love it. I have a day job that I'll be keeping.
Listening to The Devil wears Prada now...- ..."because I love it." 'nuf said.TheBlueOne
- i love how you keep adding this comment as if i've disagreed with the "do it cuz u love it" ideavague
- You're so vain that you thought that was directed at you?TheBlueOne
- vague0
btw. consider this thread a successful experiment.
or failed, if viewed from your perspectives.
see the "why all the hate" thread. YAY.
- akrokdesign0
if I am not wrong, the standard music contract is based on that you "the artist" get 5 to 10% of the royaltie.