Blasphemous?
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- philipdrumman0
yeah well theres a lot of people without rhythm!
- philipdrumman0
yeah well theres a lot of people without rhythm!
- detritus0
You're down with the two-step, clearly.
God, I'm so clever.
- gramme0
I believe science is an inadequate methodology in describing the origin of all things and that supernatural activity created life.
There. I said it. I've been saying it all along.
I think the idea of ID is compatible with modern science, at least in the areas where scientific and pseudo-scientific evidence has not yet been proven false. I admit, however, that I cannot prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, using sheer physical evidence and power of logic, that the God of the Bible made the universe we live in.
Such beliefs seem harmonious to me with all the unknowns that are outside the capabilities of science. Harmonious, but not 100% empirically provable.
I believe there are some things which simply cannot be proven in a scientific court of law. In such matters, I am armed merely with faith and philosophical logic. And in the end, philosophy can be argued but faith can only be presented as it is largely a matter of revelation beyond the scope of logic.
One thing that can be argued strongly from a philosophical standpoint: we can't all be correct. All the various faiths and deities one finds out there are so diametrically opposed to one another, so contradictory to one another, that they can't all be right.
After studying various religions out there, I have come to the conclusion that many have good things to offer, but that Christianity is best. And the holy Trinity does not brook the possibility of other gods.
Each of you should be fully orthodox in the practice of whatever you believe. You should consider it carefully, judiciously, logically. There is more at stake for each of us than many of you realize.
One of my major beefs with the postmodern spiritual climate is that so few people are willing to commit to an orthodoxy of any stripe. We live in a world of half-shadows and semi-convictions.
Makes me sad.
- mrdodolina0
i have wasted so much of my life.
- gramme0
you aren't the only one.
- detritus0
Gramme - either way - it comes down to belief, doesn't it? The very ends of science become a spiritual quest whilst the very foundations of religion (/spirituality) need to remain firmly grounded in reality to ensure their function and relevance within and to society.
Ultimately, we're coming at the same problem from two opposing sides, as trite as it is to say.
flagellum - please refer to Gramme's last significant post to learn how to engage healthily with this community/people outside your bible group.
- madirish0
267?? well played gentlemen....
- gramme0
Yes detritus/Nairn, I agree with you. I actually agree with everything you just said.
Something must be wrong with me.
:)
- ********0
no, science at it's ends is philosophy. Religion is a small subset of philosophy. When religion attempts to do science, as was the case for much of it's history, it is invariably spectacularly wrong, and kills Galileo. When science attempts to do religion, it does so with spectacular success, locating the brain centers that correspond to mystical experience, and revealing the unfathomable complexity of the quantum world of which we are all a part.
Science doesnt care if you 'believe' it, it describes truth. Religion says 'believe this' even if it can be shown to be untrue. Or not. It calls this 'faith', and fortells that those who 'chose' not to have it will suffer for eternity in a fiery pit. Which, for you weekend christians, was first 'revealed' by Jesus himself - there is no mention of hell in the old testament, just the rather earthly punishments of pestilence and theocratic genocide.
And why the hell are you poking your noses into evolutionary biology ? Why not subatomic physics ? Theres more there that needs explaination than in evo. bio, and you could try and wedge your disingenuous ideas of 'design' into school books that way..
- gramme0
how in the hell does science define spirituality? The spiritual cannot be witnessed in this world, we can only see evidence (for those who have eyes to see).
None of the tenets of Christianity have been disproven thus far by your scientific religion, miko. I don't know where you get such hairbrained, pig-headed notions. I'm not saying I can prove everything I believe in your scientific court of law, but I am saying that you are sadly mistaken if you believe that science has explained or is even capable of explaining the spiritual.
Science is based upon observation and calculable data. Spirituality cannot be measured, weighed or studied in a lab. Its manifestations in our world have been interpreted in a myriad ways. True spirituality is based in revelation, not human concoction. Period.
And you are wrong about hell and heaven. Hell is a Greek word, and thus does not appear in the Old Testament, which was written before the Diaspora (broad acceptance of Greek as the language of literature). There are a couple Hebrew words for hell and Satan that I am aware of: Sheol and Abaddon. Sheol roughly translates to "abode of the dead" or "the pit". Abaddon means "The destroyer, or angel of the bottomless pit; the same as Greek names Apollyon and Asmodeus".
Old Testament verses about hell:
Psalm 9:17
"The wicked return to Sheol, all the nations that forget God"Deuteronomy 32:22
"For a fire has been kindled by my wrath, one that burns to Sheol [English often translate to 'realm of death'] below. It will devour the earth and its harvests and set afire the foundations of the mountains."Psalm 86:13
"For great is your love toward me; you have delivered me from the depths of Sheol."Job 1: The Hebrew name "Abaddon" as defined above has been translated as "Satan" (Greek name) in all English Bibles:
"One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?"Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."
Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."
"Does Job fear God for nothing?" Satan replied. "Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face."
The LORD said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger." Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD."
Heaven in the Old Testament:
Psalm 148:2
"Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his heavenly hosts."Isaiah 65:17
""Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind."Isaiah 66:22
"As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me," declares the LORD, "so will your name and descendants endure."-------------
These passages are all part of the Jewish Torah and Prophets. The modern Jewish notion that hell and heaven are not mentioned in the Torah is a flat-out lie based on malice and laziness. It's a slap in the face to orthodox Judaism.
- mrdobolina0
I have ten aliases and no nuts!
mrdodolina
(Oct 25 07, 12:48)
- Mimio0
Behavioral neuroscience is beginning to explain spirituality.
- gramme0
from the article:
"Even when the neural basis of religion has been identified, it remains a plausible interpretation of any conceivable neuropsychological facts that there is a genuine experience of God"
- duckofrubber0
So did any of you guys actually work today? Or simply argue about the unknowable?
- gramme0
I am multi-tasking.
I will also be working over the wkend to meet deadlines :(
- Jaline0
"Here lies an athiest.
All dressed up, and nowhere to go"
- ********0
- Mal0
check the balls on that big collie fa la la la la la la la la la
- Mal0
when i read flagellums comment I imagine Hal 3000's voice......