God's warriors
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- incog0
This is what earns Christians a bad rap. You say so, so it must be right. You are only further alienating yourself.
Leave your personal gripes with others out of doctrine, would you? If you lack the strength to deal with the argument decently, go somewhere else.
- ********0
whos christian here?
- incog0
Sorry. Musta missed something.
- ********0
guess you did..
- incog0
I believed and still got my arse kicked. LOL
ethered
(Aug 27 07, 12:39)Guess I missed the past tense. Cheers.
- ********0
naww dude. I belive in GOD. Still believe.
- Brookoioioi0
Why the fuck should i have to pander around anyones wacky beliefs, who gets to say religion is off limits? If it was anything else, like politics, economics, choice of typeface, mac or pc or whatever else people would just say what they think but the origin of the universe, thats somehow off limits.... Fuck that...
- incog0
Who said it was off limits?
- Brookoioioi0
We should all tolerate each others beliefs and work together for the good of society.
ethered
(Aug 27 07, 13:48)Along with countless other people who tell me i should tolerate their beliefs, or not criticize them or challenge them. Total bullshit, you have no obligation to tolerate my political or economic beliefs in a public forum, i have no obligation to tolerate peoples religious piety.
- BonSeff0
amen brother
- gramme0
isnt that just called your conscience?
mrdobolina
(Aug 27 07, 13:21)What I meant is that sometimes God allows temptation, hard times etc. into my life to help me grow and become a better person all around. I.E. I got fired for no apparent reason from my last job...long story short, but I ended up where I never wanted to go (smack in the middle of the country). Couple months later I landed the best job I've ever had by a long shot (still there) and 9 months after that got married. So getting fired and losing a lot of money turned into a blessing in disguise.
Brook:
What issue have I avoided? Have I not answered you forthrightly thus far? Name one question I have avoided.You don't have to pander to anyone's beliefs. I don't do it and I don't recommend it for anyone else. What you DON'T see me doing, however, is being rude to people who have otherwise treated me with complete decency.
I could not care less how staunchly you disagree with me beliefs. Seriously. I do however think it's uncalled for and ultimately undermines YOUR case when you mock my faith. Creationism vs. Darwinism is one thing, but mocking someone's faith is another. How on earth can you compare someone's beliefs about life and death with their choice of computer or favorite typeface? That might be one of the weakest analogies I've ever heard.
- ********0
"Along with countless other people who tell me i should tolerate their beliefs, or not criticize them or challenge them. Total bullshit, you have no obligation to tolerate my political or economic beliefs in a public forum, i have no obligation to tolerate peoples religious piety."
I believe that in government , someones faith should be irrelevant and that people of different faiths should be able to work together for the betterment of society. Now if privately that person wants to have a religious discussion, thats all good. I believe that at work we should stick to work. I dont know much though, i just like to type things so i sound smart and stuuf.
- gramme0
bottom line is there is absolutely no need for rudeness, especially when no one is harming you.
Debating 101, defensiveness = a load of buckshot in one's foot.
- Brookoioioi0
Gramme:
The section earlier when you asked me whether if it was proved that god existed and created the universe would i believe and i said i certainly would and given that premise it should be incredibly easy for a omnipotent being to prove its own existence and you just switched tack with a feeble answer.
Then the post when you said since i don't spend my time studying scriptures i'm not allowed to challenge creationist nonsense about the fact that evolution happened and the theory that explains how.
Of course i don't think that choice of typeface or computer is as important as the questions we are asking, which is why it annoys me when people say i should just tolerate peoples 'just so stories'.
I don't really care about peoples private lives, as long as you're not hurting anyone what you believe as an adult is none of my business but when you come into a public forum making fallacious claims about the universe we co-exist in you had better damn well expect my mockery and derision.
- ********0
Nah, no double-standard. If I was a satanist, I wouldn't expect people to be cool with me slaughtering a goat on the floor of the senate.
mrdobolina
(Aug 27 07, 11:26)That's an extremely chosen example, which works great as a worse case scenario. But that still rings as a double standard. Who's to say the sacrifice is right or wrong? I think that's the problem in general, people letting their opinions get in the way of ethics. Universal acceptance is the only way forward.
- gramme0
I don't really care about peoples private lives, as long as you're not hurting anyone what you believe as an adult is none of my business but when you come into a public forum making fallacious claims about the universe we co-exist in you had better damn well expect my mockery and derision.
Brookoioioi
(Aug 27 07, 14:37)Fallacious claims? Prove it. I've said before that I can't fully prove my belief in creationism because NO ONE WAS THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED. You can't fully prove your belief in Darwinism because NO ONE WAS THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED.
Fine if you think my belief in Creationism is fallacious. I don't care about that. There simply isn't a need to belittle someone's intelligence or to say that God is a myth when you CANNOT prove such a notion. You don't hear me mocking you, even though I believe Darwinism to be founded on a pile of lies, do you??? If you still fail to see the difference, then I am probably wasting my time here.
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It would be so easy for God to prove his own existence, it'd only have to do it once and 'poof' this argument would disappear.
Brookoioioi
(Aug 27 07, 08:37)I didn't avoid this answer in my rebuttal before. You just didn't like my answer. I told you that God DID come to earth, with skin on, and he DID prove his existence to people alive at that time. Some bought it, most didn't.
God proves his existence every day by speaking to those who look for him. He proves his existence by changing people from the inside out – people like you and me who are fundamentally incapable of true goodness. God proves his existence through Scripture. Not a word of is has been disproven, and not a word of it has been shown to be without good use for instructing and learning. God proves his existence every day through his mind-boggling creation which screams in its very warp and woof the intelligent hand of a CAUSOR. There is no good reason why creationism is unviable. I am no scientist (I devote much of my time to learning about God, and not nearly as much studying every move of the scientific community), but I understand enough about physics to know that everything in motion was acted upon. Infinite causality simply does not make sense. You go back far enough, and there has to be a thing, whatever you want to call it, that is eternal and doesn't require something to act upon IT in order to facilitate motion, Existence, creation, you, me.
Forget all your science, there is a fundamental, untenable flaw in the Darwinist model that deflates the whole framework of theory, right down at the root of it all. Darwinism at its core is a philosophy, and a very poor one at that.
- mrdobolina0
I don't know, Jesse. It was a rough example, you think we can fit a goat in your ride?
- kingjulien0
Tell them to wear white and come when I call.
anton
(Aug 27 07, 14:57)
- ********0
We can try buddy, you gotta clean up the mess though.
- mrdobolina0
I'll just rent a trailer.