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- emecks0
will somebody arrest the cunt already???
emecks
(Aug 8 07, 05:45)
emecks
(Aug 10 07, 00:37)
- ********0
Good boy, George. Good boy.
- ********0
I believe Dairaq school systems
- ********0
I love you George.
- ********0
I don't think any of us are expecting anything more than a strategic effort to get our troops back home. The fact that you have sustained control is a sure fire sign of success, and to that I salute you. Before we start phase two, I have one question: Where did you get that black shirt?!
- ItTango0
The fact that you have sustained control is a sure fire sign of success, and to that I salute you.
JesseJensen
(Sep 3 07, 11:37)You're kidding, right?
A conservative estimate of 71,00 Iraqis dead since US military intervention.
3,739 US troops dead since US military intervention.
Iraq played no role in the September 11 attacks.
No WMDs found.
Twenty-four Iraqi civilians, including three women and several children were murdered by US soldiers while under command of a Staff Sergeant who had never seen combat before that day.This may be a sign of success, but in what category?
- ********0
That's history. We're talking about the now. Taking action to reaction, reasons, right and wrong, power, ethics, peace.
- ItTango0
It's not history JJ. It's a story that's being written every minute of every hour of every day.
Spin strategy often refers to things as being in the past, thusly giving everyone permission to forget about them. Even though nothing has changed and the events are quite contemporary.
Heard any discussions about Darfur lately? That's history too.
- ********0
I understand where you are coming from, and I agree with you. We're making a brighter future, and I don't dismiss anything that has happened over there, more of recognizations of patterns, failures or success. History is important to observe this. Taking giant baby steps comparative to what has already and continuing to happen.
Nothing can change the past, in order for us to grow, we needed the chaos.
- ItTango0
OK. Yes. Change is chaotic.
Still, we played a role in that chaos for which we must make amends.
We have been (and are still) so f*ckin' self righteous - the Spanish Inquisition has nothing on the US.
The world is watching.
Our credibility (whatever's left) for the future is on the line and how we handle our own is of the utmost importance.I'm not sure Bush and Cheney don't qualify as war criminals. Would we call them that if they were doing this from another country? Probably.
God, yes. There is much work to be done and I am so ready to get on with that. As long as we PROPERLY close this dismal chapter instead of simply hitting the "pause" button, I'm there.
- Cactus0
This may be a sign of success, but in what category?
ItTango
(Sep 3 07, 12:1Just as Ronald Reagan was before him, GWB just may be the idiot savant of our times.
Who are you to judge history at this early stage?
The chips are still falling...
- ********0
I think we are somewhat on the same level, and it's refreshing. I was going to point out that things are getting better, with footprints of history like the inquisition, hitler and the Jews, etc... They tried their best to exterminate their enemies, but it didn't happen. Things are getting better and better. Shorter stages of chaos before the ethics kicks in.
As well the injection of a different way of living has been introduced in to our collective conscience.
I don't have a comment on Cheney. But Bush is just a gentle hearted man, with a long set of strings attached to him. With the amount of grief he has taken, I respect him for his stance.
Good point about the pause button, because this is still a two way street. They can't pull smoke over our eyes (government) like they used to. Our voices are so powerful in this century. We are building it together.
That's why I have been drilling it into people's conscience to get over themselves, and more dreams will be available to everyone.
- ItTango0
Yeah.
We've "been here, done this" and yet...
- ********0
It's so difficult for our brains to admit that it is wrong. It cares about itself, more than your physical presence. Again, our conscience is realizing this, and that's why the stages have been shorter. And to pull in a Mrdobs comment, with technology and information available at any given time, it's easier to put the pieces together.
- Cactus0
The "will to power" is always underestimated by people...It's the joker in the pack...The imponderable possiblity.
- ********0
Absolutely, because for most people, the systems in place are all they can comprehend. But when you introduce a different angle in to our collective conscience, it can enlighten people to think differently.
- ItTango0
Absolutely, because for most people, the systems in place are all they can comprehend. But when you introduce a different angle in to our collective conscience, it can enlighten people to think differently.
JesseJensen
(Sep 3 07, 13:09)Paraphrasing a journalist speaking on NPR...
"Life can be Exhausting when you have to think for yourself"So, many people just don't. Eventually, like any unused muscle, the brain cramps at the slightest attempt to understand.
Hopefully this experience will send everyone back to the gym (so to speak).
- ********0
Even us talking about this right now, truly warms my soul. More and more people are "waking up" as QBN would gently put it.
I don't mean this to offend anybody, or be derogatory. But if everything is handed to them on a silver platter, why pretend to have an opinion or voice?
- ********0
people are waking up?