Oliver Stone fined for filming...
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- M0NEYCIDE0
the usa 'do' things to just about every country in the world, from everything to immigration to regular business. they're repressive and totalitarian, it's not unfair to say that and too often they have apologizers
- mpfree0
bitch-ant countries don't matter unless they are supported by larger ones.
Cuba is all out of trump cards
- rafalski0
Moneycide, there's more people in the world that would like to move to the US than living there right now - even on NT migrating to the US is a regular topic. I don't think I ever heard of Americans escaping on rafts. Moving to Canada is the easiest thing, only takes a decision. Americans have still a lot of freedom left, no matter how fucked up country it might be.
On the other hand, obtaining a passport in Cuba is very hard, depends on your cooperation with secret police and if you don't come back from abroad, your family is in danger.
Cubans are arrested in a country where nobody wants to move to.
- mrdobolina0
america seems like a great country to go to if you are into material things. What I mean is if economic prosperity is the barometer for being happy.
- mpfree0
it beats the livin' shit of of third world countries, I can tell you that.
rough
but again this topic is about Stone getting fined for going to Cuba.
- mpfree0
and why don't we take it easy, at least on Christmas night fella's.
shit man
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- M0NEYCIDE0
feliz navidad
- mrdobolina0
feliz navidudes
- bolus0
rafalski:
i suggest you not only visit cuba but also hop over to haiti for example.
not only would you learn that the majority of the cuban people supports castro, the realise that nothing is perfect, but things could be a lot worse. Of course i've also met anti-castroists, but i must say most of them didn't have a very realistic image of the outside world (no freedom of press i know, but they idealized everything outside of cuba)
and then there is a large sentiment of 'castro's time might be over, may be change would be good, but please let us do it ourselves and not those bastards from miami"
and last but not least talking about being fucked by your government, check the transparency international corruption index and find that people in for example poland and croatia are more likely to become a victim of their own government in that respect
not trying to defend authoritarian regimes, just wanted to get some facts straight
i also believe it's time for cuba to reform, but not to much, i would like it if there would be at least a few countries in the world that didn't have a mcdonalds
- OSFA0
what is Cuba? Is it in Africa?
- Phileas_Blog0
Spot on Bolus.
What cocncerns me is the complacency and blind faith all the above seem to have in their own 'democratic' system.
When will people realise that its not about subscribing to communist or capitalist regimes, its about striving to develop something better than we have already. When will we accept that what we have is the best we have come up with so far, and not necessarily the best it can be?
But back to the main issue I posted about Oliver Stone. How interesting that nobody seems to have seen what he actually filmed, yet passes judgement freely on the situation?
I own both these films 'Fidel' and 'Looking For Fidel' and they helped broaden my awareness, as well as visiting Cuba myself 2 years ago did.
Stone should be commended for his efforts, and being fined and censored by 'the land of the free', his own country, is laughable and speaks volumes for the perceived 'free speech' and 'free press' of the West.
All the above may also pass judgment on the military uniforms worn by Fidel, Raul and other so-called communist hardliners, i've seen it before. The West can not get its head round politicians in combat gear. But have you ever thought about it the other way round? All our leaders in suits? Like the businessmen that they are? And so likewise, they can't get their heads round our corporate governments either.
In essence: Perception is a dangerous thing. Remedy it with polar opposites. Two sides to every coin. Watch Oliver Stone's insightful hard work and broaden your insight. Just don't tell Uncle Sam you watched it...
Now who lives in a culture of fear?
- OSFA0
I've seen Fidel by Stone, and consider it very eye opening as well. It is sad to admit it but you are right, is THIS the best we can do?
- PonyBoy0
... what about the people?
I see some in this thread equating fidel to american leaders...
... stop that shit.
Think of how THE CITIZENS are able to live... maybe you'll drop the comparisons. Over here in the U.S. - I'm on my PC, eating my cheese-its, drinking my diet pepsi and thinking about going to see a movie...
... over there...
... my 'counterpart' (if he/she exists) doesn't have nearly the things that I take for 'granted'.
There's a reason for the embargo... it's because of the Men in Power in Cuba... and has nothing to do w/'the people' of Cuba.
Stop comparing Cuba's leadership to America's... there's no comparison... look at how the CITIZENS are able to live if you want to judge leadership.
Yeah, I know... U.S. ain't alllll that 'great'... but even trying to compare it to Cuba is pretty 'funny'.
- mrdobolina0
You should compare america to france instead.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006…
Our own citizens are not interested in building an empire, so hire foreigners to fight it like the french foreign legion.
- mpfree0
Ultimately, it's all about standards of living. We got it, they don't and we're 90 miles from them. Cubans should be able to live similarly to the way Hawaiians live.
They don't whatsoever.
Down with Castro! Go ask any former Cuban living in FLA. For God's sake Puerto Ricans live better and they are just a possession of the US.
- PonyBoy0
you kinda went off-topic there, dobs...
... whats that got to do with cuba?
- OSFA0
Is there also an embargo to
North Korea, Afghanistan, Irak, Iran, etc...??? just asking...
- mrdobolina0
fuck a topic.
- mrdobolina0
the US should stay out of people's business is my point.
- PonyBoy0
cuba's old business though...
... and bashing america and equating cuba's leaders to americas is pretty weak when you break down the entire situation.
The only people anyone should be pissy w/is Castro and his twits who 'lead'.