Oliver Stone fined for filming...
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- mpfree0
He's a known conservative too. They got him.
- PonyBoy0
rulez is rulezz
- mpfree0
yep
- canadian0
being in cuba in 2202 and still an embargo?
tough
- mpfree0
haha
- rafalski0
* waits for peeps who praise Cuban healthcare but would never in their lives risk checking it out for themselves by leaving safe US or Europe and living in glorious Havana.
- M0NEYCIDE0
a brutal bullshit blockade indeed...all the way into 2202
- nicnichols0
Agreed the embargo is BS.. a ton on Americans would love to visit Cuba.. and the tourist dollars would be much needed help to those people...
AND.. I got arrested at the border coming back from Montreal with 2 boxes of Cuban cigars.. sucked!
- rafalski0
the tourist dollars would be much needed help to those people...
nicnichols
(Dec 25 06, 11:14)Those people live under a horrific regime that is being preserved by western tourist money. People go there to see and sponsor that human zoo.
I would love to go there, I even learned Spanish from a Cuban teacher. What stops me is my own embargo on Cuba. Every cent spent there prolongs their misery.
- pr20
there is absolutely, positivey no reason for that embargo -- it's not about health care but the fact that oh so often rules are plain stupid. And we are forced to follow those stupid rules.
- M0NEYCIDE0
yeah it's not about tourist dollars, they're repressed on many fronts
- pr20
rafalski, every dollar spent there prolongs their misery but also makes it just a bit more more livable. So in the end lifting the embargo will help much more the people then the ones in power.
- M0NEYCIDE0
don't tell me that the opportunity to set up a stand selling cheap shit to this bloated market that happens to be woddeling around is a good way to stir up an economy tourist wads of dollars go straight to the big tourism companies, hotels entertainment etc. the people work for cheap as rich folks get their drink and party on.
- rafalski0
The embargo is far from being a perfect idea, but Cuba is such a small island, that I wouldn't be surprised if tourists and business coming from one single US state would fully finance the regime.
What you hear from Cubans who have escaped is totally different from what tourists see.The embargo preserves the stupid myth about US being responsible for today's Cuba situation. The US does not trade with them, it's as if it wasn't there. Who would people blame if the US really wasn't on the map at all?
They're being ripped by totalitarian government, with no rights at all. I doubt tourist money improve the quality of life other than the govt's.
People go there, enjoy cheap hookers and rum, then spread the story about a heaven on earth..I say, if you go there, take a camera and try to find out something real about this place..
- M0NEYCIDE0
they're being ripped by a totalitarian govrnment but the sort of stuff the us government do to cubans and americans is equally repressive
- pr20
Here is the deal when shit goes down rulling party stumbles but it's the poor who suffer, when shit goes well, rulling party gets really rich while poor get little something to get by. It goes one in US and it goes on in very other country. So yes lifting the embargo will mostly benefit the rulling class BUT it will also improve the lives of the poor. So i don't see why you would wnat to stick some ideas implemented during teh cold war that don't do anything good anymore and simply not let people live? What's wrong with that? If a dude wants Ciban cigarrs what's wrong with him smoking some?
- rafalski0
Patryk, the embargo obviously isn't working without the rest of western world joining in, so it's ridiculous, but if it weren't for foreigners supporting Castro, the system could have collapsed years ago.
Cold war caused Russian communism to go bankrupt and collapse, the same scenario was planned for Cuba - if only it weren't for Europeans investing there..
Or I might be wrong, huge influx of US tourists might have influenced Cubans to cause a shift in Cuban politics.. (like, US business investing in Cuba getting Castro killed, heh)
It's just a guessing game..
I think that the emabargo is wrong, but more so for US people's freedom than for Cuba.
I think I understand your reasoning, but I'd say going there, enjoying the place and feeling good about having tipped a waiter with what a Cuban earns in two months is not really helping other than making the tipper feel good about himself.MONEYCIDE: american govt does nothing to Cubans. It even doesn't let Americans do anything with Cubans in Cuba.. IMO, of course.
Lazy westerners don't want to know that the nice waitress in Cuban hotel is actually a slave - she has no choice, she cannot leave Cuba, she must work for the regime. As much as freedom lacking the US is, saying it is comparable to Cuba is just unfair.
- rafalski0
..and thanks guys for some thought exchange, my opinion on Cuba is quite firm, but who knows, maybe a China - like transformation would be good for them, rather than getting rid of commies..
- lemmys_wart0
rafalski needs to visit saudi arabia...
no embargo there, no sir.
- nicnichols0
Get rid of the commies... (and by commies I meant Oliver Stone..)