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- flagellum0
and Mimio, I have no idea who this "big bad guy who lives in the belly of the earth" is.
Sounds like you've gotten a hold of some sort of medieval
caricature or something.And I hear those produce worse gas than a holiday fruitcake.
- flagellum0
Sin is a reality that is evident in our day to day experience. Pretending it doesn't exist, doesn't help anyone.
- mrdobolina0
jah is my co-pilot.
- TheBlueOne0
I don't know if Pastor Haggard is even a Christian. Why ask such a silly (and crass) question?
flagellum
(Nov 9 06, 12:48)
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You don't know if he's a christian? Well, 30 million people thought he was. He even said he was. The President thought he was and sought his council.Hahaha..see you just make up and twist the definition of "christian" to suit your purposes...
- flagellum0
It doesn't matter what 30 million people thought. Only God knows his heart.
My definition of a Christian is based on the Bible. Read John Ch. 3 and Romans Ch. 3. Oh, and 1John Ch. 1-3.
- flagellum0
...and Matthew Ch. 7, where Jesus details the wonderful things that those who profess his name would do, without actually knowing him.
- grunttt0
everyone needs to quit arguing and start thinking about what y'all are going to be getting me for Christmas.
- TheBlueOne0
Sin:
noun
1. transgression of divine law------
See, it's made up shit. Transgression of divine law. WHose divine and whose law. Whoever, whatever.
That's why Buddhism is at least more honest in seeking to eliminate something actually rooted in human experience, suffering. Sin is whatever you or the biggest guy with a holy book on the block said it is.
Thousands of people died for committing "sins" of being "witches" "heathens" or "pagans"...
Sin is imaginary fairy tail crap.
- flagellum0
Not sure where you got your definition from, blueOne, but the Biblical word for sin literally translates to "missing the mark". And we are told in scripture that we are sinners by nature and by choice. Ultimately, we fall short of God's standard of perfection. Only Christ met this standard. Which is why he is our propitiation. And why we need the free gift that only he can provide.
- k0na_an0k0
haha. very true theblueone.
so try this tomorrow.
'thou shalt not kill'
kill someone, and when the cops arrest you simply say 'sin is imaginary fairy tail crap' and try walking off.
let me know what happens. i think they have wifi in prison. try to keep us informed while having some guy named bubba make you his bitch.
k?
- flagellum0
Buddhism may have some lovely moral precepts and lofty teachings which engage the mind, etc... but it doesn't deal with our greatest need -
Forgiveness.
- TheBlueOne0
Sorry kOna, cops wouldn't arrest me for killing someone because it's a "sin" and against "divine law" they'd arrest me becaus eit violates legal statues, common law, etc.
The cops authority is a much more earthy power.
Nice try though.
- flagellum0
k0na, that's a valid point but sin is more than just something we do. It's our natural bent towards rebellion. You don't have to teach a small child to shout "NO!" when he's given instruction. It comes naturally. Again, I find sin to be an obvious condition which none of us are exempt from.
- TheBlueOne0
Bite me, just because the book YOU choose to follow makes you think you were born already divorced from this wonderful universe we are blessed to live in is your own little psychological problem, stop laying your guilt trip on me .Your harshing my mellow and causing misery by already gaming the system before you let anyone out of the starting gate..
- k0na_an0k0
either way this non-issue is really heating up now!
- Mimio0
It's not a valid point at all actually. Sin a theological term based upon an ideal. It's thankfully not a social law.
- flagellum0
Sorry kOna, cops wouldn't arrest me for killing someone because it's a "sin" and against "divine law" they'd arrest me becaus eit violates legal statues, common law, etc.
The cops authority is a much more earthy power.
Nice try though.
TheBlueOne
(Nov 9 06, 13:03)But this just sort of moves the goalposts closer in. We are forced to ask: why is it common law? What in principle, makes it wrong to hurt others? We can either continue ad infinitum with an endless regress of "becauses", or we can concede that there is an ultimate moral standard which lets us know what is right and wrong.
- mrdobolina0
coveting thy neighbors wife is not against the law.
- flagellum0
note, how theBlueOne gets suddenly hostile? Interesting.
I'm not giving anyone a guilt trip. I'm simply pointing out what people aren't comfortable looking at. Their sin. I don't understand your accusation about me being "divorced" from this "wonderful universe". I was born into sin like everyone else.
- k0na_an0k0
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merry christmas fuckers