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- Jaline0
It's basic common sense knowledge.
garett_west
(Jul 7 06, 06:59)What's common sense is the fact that our everyday living HAS to have some effect on the environment.
- flagellum0
It's an OP-Ed. Which means that experts not necessarily affiliated with the paper and it's leanings, contributes a piece.
I'm going to go with an MIT atmospheric scientist over political policy makers with special interests any day of the week.
But there are valid points on both sides of this issue. It's a tough one. And I think we should err on the side of caution.
- flagellum0
I'd be interested in knowing statistics regarding the massive amounts emissions that natural events produce each year. I hear that volcanoes blow some serious damaging stuff into the atmosphere.
- TheBlueOne0
I am an illogical idiot:
Hurricanes = Global Warming
Garrett you are amoron, a simplistic tool who jumps on the flimsiest evidence to support a position and then you accuse other people of doing just that.
When you get around to understanding the complex issues of science let me know, but I won't be holding my breath.
- Mimio0
Lindzen thinks humans are particpating in global warming no doubt, but they may not be the only active agent.
- WildFlower0
and i'm sure there is a certain degree of hysteria surrounding the climate change debate, inevitably with all the "we told you so" environmentalists - but to flatly deny climate change, happening right now..as we speak, is pretty fucking stupid considering the weight of evidence out there. That article you posted doesn't argue against global warming - just an opinoin on am atmosphere where debate is stifled.
Which i find strange coming from him considering how its been the Bush administaration policy to deny climate change, and support and appoint scientists who are "skeptical". so how are they being stifled?
And newspapers push op-eds that follow their editorail line, thats prima facie truth
Wate flagellum - is this got something to do with your religious dogma that earths climate will only change when the Lord thy God calls upon the apocalypse? ;)
- garett_west0
Garrett you are amoron, a simplistic tool who jumps on the flimsiest evidence to support a position and then you accuse other people of doing just that.
When you get around to understanding the complex issues of science let me know, but I won't be holding my breath.
TheBlueOne
(Jul 7 06, 07:05)When in 2004 at this time there was only ONE storm. ONE at this time. Then in 2005 there were 5. Now it's back down to TWO what is flimsy about that evidence? It's fact chief.
What's so complex about this?
2004: 1
2005: 5
2006: 2Pretty basic I'd say.
- WildFlower0
haha, i bet you dont believe there was any such thing as the Ice Age flagelleleum!
Cos it wasn't in the bible!!
i see where you're coming from this, and your skepticism. :)
- flagellum0
I had a feeling that Wildflower = kuz.
- flagellum0
Ad hominem, "Wildflower". -5
- WildFlower0
you lost me... :/
- TheBlueOne0
Garrett I hope your descendents are wiped out in a horrible painful death as a consequence of global warming and your own ignorance, and stupidty. I really, really do.
I am tired of playing these stupid elementary school games with you neo-conservatives as a world burns.
I got better things to do then say anything else in this thread...
- flagellum0
"These claims are true. However, what the public fails to grasp is that the claims neither constitute support for alarm nor establish man's responsibility for the small amount of warming that has occurred. In fact, those who make the most outlandish claims of alarm are actually demonstrating skepticism of the very science they say supports them. It isn't just that the alarmists are trumpeting model results that we know must be wrong. It is that they are trumpeting catastrophes that couldn't happen even if the models were right as justifying costly policies to try to prevent global warming."
My interest in this has to do with the censorship by alarmists of reigning paradigms. Has nothing to do with the Bible. Nice try though.
- garett_west0
Garrett I hope your descendents are wiped out in a horrible painful death as a consequence of global warming and your own ignorance, and stupidty. I really, really do.
I am tired of playing these stupid elementary school games with you neo-conservatives as a world burns.
I got better things to do then say anything else in this thread...
TheBlueOne
(Jul 7 06, 07:12)That's nice Brian.
Take care now tuff guy.
(The image of you on your site is awesomely bad ass)
- CALLES0
Quote of the Day:
Global warming may or may not be the great environmental crisis of the next century, but—regardless of whether it is or isn't—we won't do much about it. We will (I am sure) argue ferociously over it and may even, as a nation, make some fairly solemn-sounding commitments to avoid it. But the more dramatic and meaningful these commitments seem, the less likely they are to be observed. Little will be done... Global warming promises to become a gushing source of national hypocrisy.
Robert J. Samuelson, Newsweek, July, 1997
- TheBlueOne0
That's nice Brian.
Take care now tuff guy.
(The image of you on your site is awesomely bad ass)
garett_west
(Jul 7 06, 07:15)
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Hahaha..how predictable..Just like you slimy conservatives to make a personal attack when you can't win on facts.Nice. Yup, I was right. Total tool. And not even an original one at that. So sad.
Go home son, you bore me.
- WildFlower0
chill man, i guess i haven't been here long enough to know flagellum sometimes talks about things other than religion.
I thought everything you posted came from an evangelical POV.
my bad.
- garett_west0
Hahaha..how predictable..Just like you slimy conservatives to make a personal attack when you can't win on facts.
Nice. Yup, I was right. Total tool. And not even an original one at that. So sad.
Go home son, you bore me.
TheBlueOne
(Jul 7 06, 07:18)And what do you call every one of your posts directed towards me?
Foreplay?
Have you ever heard the expression "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" before?
Besides. I thought you had "better" things to do.
Chief.
- flagellum0
We all come from a particular slant. Everyone has their bias. An evangelical I am. But I'm willing to go where the evidence leads, even if it makes me uncomfortable. So far, on issues of science and history, the evidence has been in support of my metaphysical beliefs.
- WildFlower0
seriously though, obviously there's alarmists on climate change. They've been around since the 60s environmental movements.
But that mean every scientist, of all the climate experts out there who are arguing global warming is going on is an alarmist desperate for funding? That sounds far fetched to me.
As i see the debate happening in this country, the current administration is trying so very hard to promote the global warming sceptics. So I dont know how their voice is being stifled. There's some sound voices out there doing compelling research on climate change. I dont think they should all be dismissed as alarmists. No sir!