HEAT/MAVS
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- jondj240
dahl,
you are right, it is BS..
Phil is the best coach in the league (arguably)Kobe is the best player (definitely)
but tonight, Riley and Wade are the best.
- dahl0
You're right.
Tonight I salute them, but that will end shortly.
Still pretty f**ked Shaq calls Riley the best coach he ever had.
- HAMT0
Hey dahl.
U r a lakers fan right?
- HAMT0
I was going for the HEAT.
But didnt follow the games much.
There is a world cup at the moment people!
- numero10
Yeah the heat!
- dahl0
yeah, HAMT. I'm a Laker fan.
Most of L.A. was rooting for the Mavs. :) It's ok, the winning ways won't continue, the team was not built for any long term plans and Shaq is ooooold.But I'm also danish so I follow the World Cup, a suitable band-aid, even if Denmark isn't playing.
- HAMT0
dahl,
yeah I wasjust asking cos I remember talking to you about the lakers or about football.
Oh yeah I agree the heat was built just to win this year or maybe next year.
- CincodeMayo0
Most of LA was rooting for the Mavs cause they're just pissed at themselves for keeping Kobe around and not Shaq.
Wade made it to the playoffs with Lamar Odom, Caron Butler and Brian Grant 2 years ago. But when the three of them were traded to the Lakers, with a better coach and a better star in Kobe (not my opinion) they missed the playoffs.
Believe it or not you need some veterans and a non-rookie coach to get far in the playoffs. Avery is a good coach, and may be great, but he couldn't come up when he needed to. Neither could the team.
I agree that my HEAT aren't built to keep winning. Zo and Payton will probably retire. Maybe Riley. But a year ago we were 90 seconds away from the finals. And the year before (without Shaq) we made it to the second round, with Wade leading the way. But with Wade not going anywhere for a LONG time and with a solid organization, I think the Heat will be around for a while.
Just my 2¢.
- Nac_part20
cincode....
believe me...we werent rooting against shaq because we let him go instead of kobe...
it was the best choice we made...and we believe it.. look at it numbers wise through out the season... Shaq wasn't even around most of this season, hell he didn't do much this series...
how many points did he have in game 2? 5? i think it was...
Shaq is decaying NBA matter... if you go back and look at the lakers.. there are a few tune ups we need but we have a team that is young and the potential to be great. weve already proved we can get into the playoffs, and also gave phoenix a run for their money...
so more maturity and the lakers will be on top again... remember the lakers have the second most banners hanging on their ceiling....14...
and you cant compare kobe to shaq, they are 2 different positions... think of it this way.. in a year or 2 this league is gonna be dominated by awesome Gaurds... aka Wade, Kobe, Lebron, Chris Paul, Mcgrady......shaq isn't gonna be able to keep up with all of them, he is already showing his rust..
believe me, the lakers made the best decision.
We were against shaq simply because we didnt want to see him get one before kobe, however, laker fans look at it like this... soon you won't have payton, shaq, or mourning... all key elements to the heat winning this year... now look at kobe ...he is young and he is just coming into his prime..
and i know this really doesnt mean too much in this convo but......
81..... points ;)
Riley isnt that great of a coach for this era either, van gundy would have had the same result if not just as close.
- CincodeMayo0
Bah...
You're right...Shaq didn't do anything for us in the Finals. That's my point. I think it was you (or whoever posted before you) that said that the Heat won't last at the top. I say they will.
Even losing the vets, Wade is now a vet. Udonis, a vet. They have playoff experience now, FINALS experience now, and that's all they need. They're the main core, toss in maybe Jason Williams and Posey. They're a pretty young team. The C position will be filled. Shaq could retire, but will probably stick around for a season or two, but my point being, Wade, a rookie two years ago took a no-name Heat to the second (almost third) round of the playoffs. Last year he took it a round further. This year he took it all the way. Shaq wasn't a factor in scoring, just in motivation. But now Wade has a ring. That's all he needed.
And you're right...the Lakers are young. But they have a better team and Kobe than Wade had with the no-name Heat 2 years ago, and they almost made it to the semifinals, again, in Wade's rookie year. I give the Lakers props for this year. They looked good. But they should've made it last year. Kobe and the Lakers won't be winning anything anytime soon unless Kobe learns to share and finds some heart.
Shaq wasn't a factor, but he wanted to win probably more than anyone else on the team, and not for him...for Riley, Zo, Payton, Walker, Wade, etc. That's a player. I'll take a good couple of years with Shaq making the playoffs twice, over a couple rocky years with Kobe at the helm and making the playoffs once. Again, hopefully the Lakers will improve and we can finally have some competitive Christmas day games again.
But as for 2006, the Heat won it all and that's cause for celebration. Back to the beer and ESPN.
- jondj240
"the Lakers are young. But they have a better team and Kobe than Wade had with the no-name Heat 2 years ago, and they almost made it to the semifinals, again, in Wade's rookie year."...
CincodeMayo
(Jun 21 06, 00:22)i disagree with that...that Heat was an exciting group of players. A more aggressive and some what younger Odom as the leader. if had stayed together, could be challenging the Pistons and Pacers for the East either now or in that near future.
Riley, whom i always disliked...i now reflect back and regret those thoughts...he has won with every team he has coached. Lakers, Knicks, Heat and Heat again. Winning squads with totally different styles...that is a credit to the coach.
- Mimio0
Way to go Heat! I knew they'd win it.
- Nac_part20
look at it this way as far as the lakers go..
if Kobe didn't shoot all that much they would have never got into the playoffs.
So what do you think the team would rather have?
Regular season experience sharing the ball?
Or
Learning to share the ball in the offseason?
Which is what Kobe and Phil did for the team. They rode Kobe through the regular season and gave the team a taste of the post season. Where we won three games pretty nicely all based on sharing the ball, but could'nt get through.
If Kobe would have 'shared the ball' more during the regular season, the Lakers would have never made it to the post season.
However, I think its pretty damn hypocritical that people blame him for not sharing the ball enough, and then in the phoenix series he does, and when they lose, he gets criticized for not shooting enough.
Its kind of like, you don't have to win every battle to win a way. This season was just a learning experience, and gave the younger Lakers a taste of the post season, and leave them wanting more.
Also, remember Kobe has playoff experience too ;)
and I love dwayne wade, besides him always ending up on the floor after he shoots, he is an awesome player.
But my main point before was mostly about shaq, and thats why laker fans wanted the mavericks. I gauruntee you if shaq wasn't on the heat, Laker fans would have been rooting for the Heat, simply because we really don't like Mark Cuban and his dumbass antics (at times).
piece in the middle east
- Nac_part20
dammit...the two questions i posted in my comment above was supposed to be:
Regular season experience sharing the ball?
Or
Learning to share the ball in the POSTseason?
- Nac_part20
damn i need to learn to recheck what i wrote
i meant this line:
Also, remember Kobe has playoff experience too ;)
to be
Also, remember Kobe has FINALS experience too ;)
- Mimio0
Funny that Lakers fans are hating on the Heat. This Heat team resembles the 2002-2003 Lakers in a lot of ways. They just play smarter with much better D.
- CALLES0
well im in south beach... and yesterday it was just fucking wild... i had a blast
- turnerworks0
Mavs shoulda won...
http://www.ericfolkerth.com/B108…
- Mimio0
It goes both ways, they don't catch everything.
- shn0
Dallas didn't get calls!?!
one sided video.
Heat were the aggressers, Mavs were not, plain and simple.