Gas. Did you know?
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- k0na_an0k0
If anyone talks bad about McDonalds again I'll cut you
- mrdobolina0
the high gas prices have nothing to do with ethanol. Ethanol has been in the gas for ages in my state. They are currently trying to mandate a set percentage of ethanol in a gallon of gas right now, but we have had it for years.
- lowimpakt0
If anyone talks bad about McDonalds again I'll cut you
k0na_an0k
(Apr 24 06, 09:30)
-----------------------ronald was/is a paedo
- k0na_an0k0
If anyone talks bad about McDonalds again I'll cut you
k0na_an0k
(Apr 24 06, 09:30)
-------------------- ---ronald was/is a paedo
lowimpakt
(Apr 24 06, 09:35)Oh for sure but their food is good
:)
- lowimpakt0
i'll take your word for it.
- mpfree0
I dont like Gas with my BBQs
- GreedoLives0
aren't they working on improving the fermentation process of gaining ethanol? once that's all ironed out, it would take away a large part of the petrochemicals needed to produce ethanol making everything smooth and nice and cheap.
and btw, assuming the $74 barrel of crude and the $160 barrel of ethanol at 15% per gallon, you'd end up with $2.33 per gallon. Throw in a nickel for taxes and maybe 20¢ for production (10% production cost per gallon? is that high?), you'd end up with $2.48, so the last 50¢ or so would be pure profit.
- mrdobolina0
I was reading some things a few weeks back and they said if the infrastructure was there that ethanol would be a lot cheaper to produce.
umm government investment.
- GreedoLives0
From wikipedia:
"Glucose for fermentation into ethanol can also be obtained from cellulose. Until recently, however, the cost of the cellulase enzymes that could hydrolyse cellulose has been prohibitive. The Canadian firm Iogen brought the first cellulose-based ethanol plant on-stream in 2004. The primary consumer thus far has been the Canadian government, which, along with the United States government (particularly the Department of Energy's National Renewable Energy Laboratory), has invested millions of dollars into assisting the commercialization of cellulosic ethanol. Realization of this technology would turn a number of cellulose-containing agricultural byproducts, such as corncobs, straw, and sawdust, into renewable energy resources."So there's hope yet.
- mpfree0
that's right, we do have a National Renewable Energy Laboratory. So it's not as if we haven't looked into it.
I don't think that'll be such a smooth transition though. You'd have to force car makers into it, right? But hey, I could be wrong.
Some group will be up in arms no matter what, never fails. Some environmentalist will cry about the destruction of sawdust.
x_o
- GreedoLives0
//yes i'm sure the environmentalists will cry about MBTE being taken out of circulation. they love that stuff.
it's so healthy for all of us.//
- mrdobolina0
the price of gasoline isn't going down ever again, I think. Maybe a quarter a gallon but you know.
The market will work it out as far as the car companies switching their shit up.
- GreedoLives0
i think it's literally $100 to fill up a suburban right now. that's unsustainable for a lot of people, i'd think.
- mpfree0
of course it's fucking way healthier, shit cities like Mexico City, LA would be so much cleaner.
can you imagine?
- mpfree0
i think it's literally $100 to fill up a suburban right now. that's unsustainable for a lot of people, i'd think.
GreedoLives
(Apr 24 06, 10:59)what about Hummers
- mrdobolina0
serves them fucking right for buying a suburban. And if you have that many kids to fill up a suburban, you need a vasectomy.
- johndiggity0
most cars produced in the last couple years can run on ethanol. flex fuel engines i believe they're called.
only problem is it is near impossible to start ethanol based engines at near 20ºF temperatures.
- mrdobolina0
didnt know that, john.
- k0na_an0k0
Car dealerships here in Chicago are being overrun with large trucks people are trading in.
Thank God my car only has a 16.5 gallon tank. My buddies truck has two 20 gallon tanks. Ugh. No thanks.
- johndiggity0
most domestic manufacturers anyway: http://www.e85fuel.com/e85101/fl…