"Designers" seems wrong to me
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- soda0
Im a digital design and I dont do actionscript, hteml or any of that gubbins.
pen, pencil and photoshop
kezza_2
(Mar 9 06, 03:15)same as me.
I can't read, I can't write but I can paint a picture
- AndyJnr0
I see everybodys point, and it's fair point. Firstly, a employee would always want a designer to do everything possible, ie, design, build, flash, css, asp, etc, etc. In a pervious job, I did this, and it has one massive pitfall, restriction. I think if you're a designer, you want to concertrate on design, but work closely with a development team, so your design look top notch.
At the end of the day, there are people who are 'jack of all trades' but I feel you only get better at something if you can solely concertrate on it.
- ********0
I can't read, I can't write but I can paint a picture of my cat.
her name is mo. she is 6. and brown.
soda
(Mar 9 06, 03:37)
- vespa0
i only do design. i know enuff technical stuff to know what's theoretically possible, and i can do the basics with AS and AE expressions but i'm old school in that i think it's better on the whole to separate design and build skills. there are always exceptions, but i'm not one of them.
i'd rather spend my time polishing animations than code, cos that's where my skillz are.
- kelpie0
it's not right though is it.
if i were feeding the hungry or something that should make you feel good. Adding british summer time to a date shouldn't turn me on...
determinedmoth
(Mar 9 06, 03:35)haha. poor moth.
I gain great inner satisfaction adding cheap cowbell to web templates personally ;)
- AndyJnr0
"JACK OF ALL TRADES, MASTER OF NONE"
Amen.
- ********0
I design and code. The only things i'm not expected top do are database thingmies. with like php and that, although I am exptected to understand send to a friend scripts and what not.
- paraselene0
I design and code. The only things i'm not expected top do are database thingmies. with like php and that, although I am exptected to understand send to a friend scripts and what not.
skt
(Mar 9 06, 03:46)it's interesting though, that this seems to be par for the course with flash developers; that they're consistently having to do both (design and code). whereas people don't expect 'graphic designers' to develop database driven sites or deal with information hierarchies so much.
- imakedesign0
sadly i think the role of designer (as we think of it now) is going to fade away.
design for the web is now more about how we organise the flow infomation through our websites, its no longer about simply creating repoductions of offline printed brochures
further reading on this point here:
http://www.digital-web.com/artic…
- monoboy0
It all depends on the agency. The smaller they are, the more versatile you need to be.
That's why you get such varying quality online, cause small agencies take the piss.
They want multi-talented staff to take care of just about everything clients through at them. Keeping profits up and overheads down.
And because there's so many 'talented' designers out there, and too few jobs, you have to get on with it.
I've just left a small place where I had to do all kinds, advertising, print, campaigns, copywriting, web design and build.
All on OS9, G4's, with dodgy software and fonts. Tight a feck.
And they're really well known too.
- valentim0
one thing, "dont do code" other thing is dont understand how it works? you do undersatnd how the technologies work on that level, no? soda?
- kezza_20
at the end of the day, if I had to build what I design with my restricted technical ability, it would effect how/what I design.
If I 'go to town' on something and I work with a specialist actionscripter, it will be better.
it's all about specialising
- kelpie0
at least a basic understanding must be essential, I remember talking to a programmer at an agency here (I think its bust now) who did mainly print and wanted in on the new media thing, he used to complain about being given visuals as illustrator files and designers having no understanding of technological constraints/practise/advantages. He left soon after and as I say I think they went bust.
I certainly try at least to be as knowledgable as poss, I write my own stylesheets etc for example...
- UndoUndo0
i think that 'designer' and 'coder' should understand enough about each others roles and whats possible so that they know where the boundaries for creation are, otherwise each are both more restricted.
I started as a designer in flash, then used AS to be able to create more and that led into server side scripting. I really enjoy the challenges each aspects gives. If all I was doing each day was graphics I would get bored quickly.
- UndoUndo0
oh and I see it as
'double edged sword'
not
'jack of all trades master of none'
- ********0
'jack of all trades master of none'
Pish.
You don't suddenly lose the ability to lay out a screen by teaching yourself actionscript if you can design to start with.
- kelpie0
Lately I've been noticing a lot of little details and areas where I can see real pitfalls of doing it the way we do - just wee touches in the incidental functionality of pages, the harmony between the design and the function which I think can be lost somewhere between the design/code split. I work for a very small agency too and our 2 departments work very closely together.
I think in an ideal world I would certainly do both. Not so sure about all the heavy back end stuff though I'd love to be able to...
- kelpie0
You don't suddenly lose the ability to lay out a screen by teaching yourself actionscript if you can design to start with.
skt
(Mar 9 06, 04:13)I agree with you mate, but I think some folk see it more as an issue of concentration/focus on one thing rather than a skills issue...
- paraselene0
"if you can design to start with" being the key there.
- kelpie0
dammit that's me fucked then :( anybody need someone to write proposals?