Semiology
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- determinedmoth0
I had running battles with Uni tutors when writing my dissertation on Hypertext and General Semantics. I thought it was absolutely crystal - it's place. They thought otherwise.. although I think a short section about William Boroughs and his take on Alfred Korzbyski proper freaked them out. I went ahead and did it anyway and got a low grade. Basically I don't think they understood it.
Not quite Semiology, but thought I'd share that anyway.
- uncle_helv0
It is vital for understanding communication.
- determinedmoth0
It is vital for understanding communication.
uncle_helv
(Mar 9 06, 01:43)It's also really good for disecting it to the point of meaningless.
- fresnobob0
All graphic design really is, is language.
- stem0
Hahaha, that brings back happy memoiries moth.
Sitting in 'critical and contextual studies' discussing 'kets'. Looking at how kids have this little mini adult world, made of sweets. Watches, rings, necklaces, jewellery and stuff.
Disecting it all afternoon, then our tutor just picked a handful up, shoved them in his mouth and said, "WOW, these are fuckin' lovely!"
Rendered to the point of meaningless...
- valentim0
wll i thnk t´s imprtnt, so mch so that witht it, we as dsgnrs would hd a clue how the nd usr/rdr of ur cmmncation udrstnds wht we tryn 2 cmmncat!
- valentim0
*(would not)
- paraselene0
wll i thnk t´s imprtnt, so mch so that witht it, we as dsgnrs would hd a clue how the nd usr/rdr of ur cmmncation udrstnds wht we tryn 2 cmmncat!
valentim
(Mar 9 06, 02:02)now i know that english is not your first language, but i don't speak 13-year-old-sms-talk, so you're going to have to meet me halfway here.
- paraselene0
(or perhaps you're making some sort of incisive point about morphology. i'm not sure.)
- stem0
(or perhaps you're making some sort of incisive point about morphology. i'm not sure.)
paraselene
(Mar 9 06, 02:05)I think you were right with the 13yr old sms thing para!
- valentim0
Maybe I am! Defenetely dont text like. And you´re right, English is not my native language.
- paraselene0
i'm just teasing, val.
;)
- valentim0
Semiology is a understanding tool, without it, couldn´t get to my solutions, uderstanding how it´s going to react on people´s mind, better? how do you know that a visual works? or communication?
- valentim0
it´s cool, para.
- valentim0
i guess I have to sharp up my english, know what I mean? Back to Semiotics, what is it, and how relevant is it?
- stem0
The respose to this thread is about what I expected. I studied 3D design and semiotics was a strong focus of the course.
The reason I never chose to study graphics was because I thought it was too concerned with style and trends, rather than being concerned with social issues.
In 3D design, the only language you have is semiotics. When you have no written word or graphic symbols, how do you communicate with the user?
- stem0
3D form as a graphic language...
- paraselene0
all of my serious academic work has been in linguistics rather than any sort of visual theory (but, of course, any linguistic study post-saussure has to address issues of semiology by way of approaching semantics).
nor do i have any formal design training, so i don't feel particularly confident participating in this discussion.
i don't even consider myself a designer as such, more a low-level construction worker these days. if i were, however, to market myself as a designer i'd feel like a charlatan if i didn't have a basic understanding of semiotic structualism, etc.
- determinedmoth0
i am charlatan.
- kelpie0
I thought I was the charlatan moth? ;)