Root of all Evil
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- KuzIII0
What's Eid Kuz? Excusing my ignorance...
determinedmoth
(Jan 10 06, 08:11)its the religious holiday muslims celebrate when god told abraham to kill his son to test his faith (being the cunt of a god he is) but at the last minute he replaced abrahams son wiht a lamb. So muslims rejoice and eat lamb today.
proper name is Eid-ul-Adaa (as opposed to Eid ul-Fitr at the end of Ramadan)
I bet my mum has cooked a really nice lamb :( wish i was in leeds :(
- flagellum0
So since you've "devolved" in the usual predictable direction, Kus, that of spewing hate and insult upon insult (again, terribly uncreative ones, but still insults), we can joyfully agree to disagree.
I hope you've learned something from today's lesson. ;)
ta ta
- KuzIII0
eat dick flagellate me :)
- ********0
I once had lamb in Cairo on New Years Eve 2001. I believe that was in Mohandessin, Cairo, Egypt
http://apt.inegypt.org/mo-1.html…
but they were Coptics not Muslims
- ********0
Pint?
determinedmoth
(Jan 10 06, 08:11)really? u mean it?
KuzIII
(Jan 10 06, 08:13)Yeah I guess so. If it's tricky no worries - I should be going to the Gym instead...
- ********0
thanks for claring up eid.
- lowimpakt0
isn't it possible in Eid to offer the lamb to someone who might need it? as opposed to eat it. so as to help your brothers out
- ********0
KuzIII...you know, I am not anti-religion per se, although I am anti fundamentalist interpretation and getting into everyone else's grill about what to believe...and I"ve actually gotten a ton of insight into human nature from the Bible when read as a worl of literature versus something to be taken literally. I mean if you view God as just another character in that book, and the actions motivations of all the other biblical heros, villians, etc..lots of interesting patterns emerge.
One, like in your reference to Abraham having to sacrifice his son, which in one instance does seem a shitty thing to ask someone to do, but the Old Testamnet God really was about engaging with the people who would go that extra mile - it's not neccessarily what I would call "moral" but there is a logic to it.
What's that biblical story of the two brothers - one ahunter and the other a farmer, and the one used trickery to get his father's blessing, and in the Bible god honors the brother that used trickery to get the blessing? I mean that bugged me forever, until I realized that that guy just plain WANTED it more and would do anything to get it. Same thing with Abraham wanting to please God by sacrificing his son...it was about desiring to get close to god by any means neccessary, not on the morality of your actions it seemed..that realization really opened my eyes alot..
- KuzIII0
that's absolutely correct lowimpakt. The tradition of Eid is that every houshold sacrificies a lamb and gives it to the needy. In Muslim countries during Eid you have the mass distribution of lamb meat to the poor.
In this country, the Muslim communities, because we lack the desperately poor, people distribute lamb meat to their neighbours and the wider community. I remember Eid as a child sitting in me daddy's car distributing lamb to every household in our street and near vicinity. It were grand. But you get sick of eating lamb for a week!
- ********0
It' sso weird that Judaism, Christianity and Islam all believe in the same god, share the same geographical origins and some of the same basic texts yet kill each other over all of it. Silly.
- ********0
tick. which version of the bible were you reading? I suppose at a certain level the stories can be instructive but there are plenty that are all about righteous plunder, rapine, etc. Without neoplatonism, the book is pretty bloody nevermind I come not with peact but the sword
- KuzIII0
thats an intersting understanding Tick. I'm sure it makes a lot of sense to a lot of people. Whne i came across Abrahams story as a kid, all i saw was a mean God who demanded obediance. But hey...
- ********0
....raises another problem..
Sacrificing animals in the name of religion.
Leave the bloody things alone for christ's sake..grow up.
Given that one animal (the average annual consumption of one person in the western world) produces more greenhouse emission than a truck, costs more energy and food to produce than the same amount of non-meat food, and that there are millions of poor, hungry people in the world, (and more to come), it makes no sense to carry on eating meat, AND indeed it helps you and everyone else live longer.
Bloody christians, driving around in huge, toxic SUVs, carrying guns and voting for the death-penalty - thats my fucking beef, I tell you...
Kill this, kill that, kill him, - you're going to hell, not me.
Fuck off.
- ********0
tick. which version of the bible were you reading? I suppose at a certain level the stories can be instructive but there are plenty that are all about righteous plunder, rapine, etc. Without neoplatonism, the book is pretty bloody nevermind I come not with peact but the sword
xenicon
(Jan 10 06, 08:28)
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I think it was the Jerusalem Bible..this goes back a few years...but hey, I'm not saying it wasn't bloody or contadictory. Of course it was..Old Testament of course..But another thing that fascinates me about the Biblical story arc (again viewing it as a STORY and not some religious text per se) is the charachter of God.
He is central in the beginning, and then very present in the action..I mean the bible describes him as walking actually walkig in the garden and wrestling witrh Jacob..I mean this isn't some modern interpretation..the Bible is pretty clear that Jacob IS physically wrestling with god..
I mean the god character is a real physical presence..yet during the long story arc of the bible god gets farther and farther away..by the time we hit the New Testamnet he needs a proxy (JC) to even get into the story...
Not sure what it means, but I found it fascinating..and a very differnet line of thinking form my Catholic upbringing..
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mikotondria2
Look man, the Biblical world is VERY very different context from today. The idea of sacrificing an animal would be like asking us to sacrifice a Starbucks coffe today...
But thats the point were the literal interpretation of the Bible by modern readers just bugs the shit outta me..the context is totally wrong and they throw out the metaphoric wisdom to live to the letter of the law...and that to me is evil and lacking of justice.
- paraselene0
Pint?
determinedmoth
(Jan 10 06, 08:11)really? u mean it? i just asked andy at work to go for a pint with me, and managed to convince him. Hey, tell ya what, i'll give you a text or summat half five. I'm going for dinner with a mate later on, mebbe i can squeeze you in.
KuzIII
(Jan 10 06, 08:13)if you do it straight away after work i can come, too. i'm supposed to meet a friend in herne hill but not till half seven.
hm?
- flagellum0
Wow, quite a tirade, mikotondria. You've worked up quite a stereotype there, as well. It's unwarranted, I think. The Christians I know do not fit that description.
Keep in mind that not everyone who professes to be a Christian, is one.
- ********0
if you do it straight away after work i can come, too. i'm supposed to meet a friend in herne hill but not till half seven.
hm?
paraselene
(Jan 10 06, 08:37)Have you got any money?
hehehe...
- KuzIII0
if you do it straight away after work i can come, too. i'm supposed to meet a friend in herne hill but not till half seven.
hm?
paraselene
(Jan 10 06, 08:37)Have you got any money?
hehehe...
determinedmoth
--------------yay! sonuds good you two! what time is immediately? 6pm in Canary Wharf??
- ********0
tick yr on the level. good to read.
hadn't thought about god having narrative diminishment in the story..I would rather read something for a lesser cult.