DIV haters
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- kelpie0
what did he do to deserve that?
*gets out notepad and pen
- chaztoo0
I hope Gerry McGovern gets a very ugly rash.
- canuck0
gerry can go suck a fuck.
- jaylarson0
any words of advice? I am a designer still a bit hooked on DW 6 prior to the insertion of Styles.
Divs, spans, and styles are the way of the future, at least to me. but i am having a difficulty adjusting.
anyone have any recommendations for planning a site before implementing css?
i hope this was slightly coherent!
peace.
- QuincyArcher0
my big issue with the DIV tag is that a client designed their own site, and told us to only do the programming and maintainence...the thing is so peppered with div tags that something as simple as a text edit can take an hour.
- monkeyshine0
This guy is an idiot who doesn't understand what design means. The frustrating thing is that business people read this and it makes it even harder to justify the value of design and that it's not just about print or making things pretty.
- PonyBoy0
Enter response:
what a stupid debate...
... use what work...
peace.
- normal0
One could say that tables work and they do in a rudimentary sense for those stuck with them. But on the other hand, using divs and seperating style from content is the way to go. I just finished a web project for HP that was a serialised version of a site that is updated regularly. Originally it was done with tables and stylesheets which were almost a secondary thought. The files were huge, the code went on for 350 lines for each one and they used about 3 different stylesheets for each. Not only that but the code was a horrible jumble of stupidity and bodged jobs. I rehashed the code using proper xhtml, div's, and rewrote the css to be a bit more efficient. The result. Average lines of code went down from 350 to about 100. File size from 27k to 8k. Ease of updating became ridiculously easy afterwards probably saving dozens of hours of extra work in the long run. But you don't have to listen to me. Use what works, and what works are Divs.
- shaft0
Tableless css layouts and separation of content and design are great ideas, really. And that's imo where the greatness ends. Almost every day at work I get convinced that tableless css was created by nerds who have no idea about real life design needs and think that a website is an xml file, styled for no specific reason.
I can live with browser hacks and the fact that standards are not implementent properly.
It's the standards themselves that are fucked up.Just today's example:
http://komercja.com/nt/blah.html…
Try to recreate the top menu without using a table. Mind that the site is supposed to be content managed so the number of menu items is unknown. They have to be spread evenly and the text in cells centered horizontally and vertically. Just a simple everyday website.Come on, DIV people, please help me. I'm sure you can easily achieve the same graphical menu result using list elements.
Anyone?
- Abandoned0
http://www.alistapart.com/articl…
And From the Left....
- shaft0
*DIV loving bump
- ********0
div's aren't all that bad but i love fireworking my html projects to fuck to give the developers in our place a hard time.
- KuzII0
you know ip banning is pretty easy to get around. just tell him not to sign out of NT at anypoint (skt that is).
- ********0
Just today's example:
komercja.com/nt/blah.html
Try to recreate the top menu without using a table. Mind that the site is supposed to be content managed so the number of menu items is unknown. They have to be spread evenly and the text in cells centered horizontally and vertically. Just a simple everyday website.Come on, DIV people, please help me. I'm sure you can easily achieve the same graphical menu result using list elements.
Anyone?
shaft
(Jan 5 06, 14:31)That is easy. Is this is a real question??!
- shaft0
That's right. A menu like the one I did using a table. It has unknown amount of td elements (say, 3 to 8), the elements stretch evenly to a given width (say, 760px) and each of them is centered horizontally and vertically within its own cell. Can this be done with a list?
I would really be happy to find out it's just my lack of css skill, not css being a step backwards at times.
- ********0
That's right. A menu like the one I did using a table. It has unknown amount of td elements (say, 3 to 8), the elements stretch evenly to a given width (say, 760px) and each of them is centered horizontally and vertically within its own cell. Can this be done with a list?
shaft
(Jan 6 06, 01:33)But from a design standpoint, you can't have an unknown amount of headings - because it wont fit will it! It's going to look bad.
- mase0
"Come on, DIV people, please help me. I'm sure you can easily achieve the same graphical menu result using list elements.
Anyone?
(Jan 5 06, 14:31)
shaft "I was just working on something similar....
(fancy bits removed, logo's etc)
- mase0
...not fixed width mind
- shaft0
But from a design standpoint, you can't have an unknown amount of headings - because it wont fit will it! It's going to look bad.
determinedmoth
(Jan 6 06, 01:35)
--------------Let's call it a "flexible amount", 3 to 8. It's a real life situation, the site was going to be updated by a cms.
mase: your example is actually very close, do you know a way to make the elements stretch evenly in the page's width?
- shaft0
mase: also, menu text would have to be centered both horizontally and vertically in each cell and 2-line text be supported just like in my first example.