God and Jesus
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- discipler0
ah, understood. Well then, just read scholars' works who aren't necessarily affiliated with one particular organization.
- ********0
He failed to confront our deepest need, though. Our sin nature. Nor did he do anything to liberate us from it and thus bring unspeakable joy to the heart.
discipler
(Dec 5 05, 07:48The man who became Buddha did not fail...the man attained liberation from suffering and became Buddha, the light concious of the universe, and those who follow speak very much of our inate life of sorrow and subsequently ways of liberation from this...you shouldn't make statements like that, make a comparison between Jesus and Buddha it's a beautiful combo
- ********0
buddhism makes way more sense, you know, personal journey. just the idea, combating desire as the root of all suffering so much more intelligent ...
KuzII
(Dec 5 05, 08:17)desire is like sin. it's a truely human hell.
- discipler0
The point I was getting at was that Buddha never made the exclusive claims that Christ made. And that these exclusive claims of Christ are of central importance as they relate to our spiritual liberation from sin and death. The Buddha never claimed to be more than a man and certainly never claimed to be mankinds' savior. My point is that Buddha is powerless to cleanse us from sin and put us in a right relationship with our creator. I'm making the contrast of a deceased human teacher and a risen divine savior.
- ********0
exclusivness is closer to selfishness not truth in anyway shape or form. Selflessness is closer to Jesus than you might think and is the first thing a buddhist might suggest for someone looking for eternal life
- discipler0
Jesus was indeed exclusive. He was the only one capable of reconciling us to God. He did this through his selfless sacrifice at the cross and through his resurrection. It required him being divine - in order to meet the perfect standard of holiness as the ultimate sinless sacrifice. And it also required him being human - to share in our sufferings and put to death sin in the flesh, once and for all.
John 14:6:
"I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father, but by me."
- planet010
as long as there is no "truth" i guess that would be okay.
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- PonyBoy0
this is still going?
i see discipler has joined in... that's usually my cue to get lost - because two christians arguing over the trinity is like a dog w/no tail... Chasing his tail...
... :)
deepest respects though, discipler... you're the ONLY one I see quoting scripture and at least using the Bible to argue your point (//even if you're wrong... )...
don't you ever get tired of it, discipler? Arguing w/NT'ers about christianity? I've stood clear for about a year (tried to)... I'm just frustrated that people argue Jesus and God using their own theories or the theories of man... but fail to read the Bible at all - which is the key reference to answer all these questions...
- discipler0
hi ponyboy. :)
Debate goes on on this site every day. Sometimes it's political debate. Occasionally it's "religious" debate. I think debate can be a good thing. When it's healthy and respectful. And this is the approach I try to take - even though there are hateful people who engage in the discussions. I understand your frustration, but the approach I take is to simply contribute to a thread which is already moving and try to offer the Biblical perspective. Hopefully, lurkers will be encouraged/challenged to go and research these issues for themselves.
As for me being "wrong" regarding the Trinity, I of course would take issue with you on that. I've spent countless hours studying the Watchtower position on this and have become as well acquainted with the passages they use to deny the Trinity, as most JW's are. It's a subject of particular interest to me.
- pavlovs_dog0
thank god i'm ireligious. what a fucking mess.
- discipler0
Thank goodness I'm a-political... now those discussions get messy. ;)
And besides, people don't need religion... they need Jesus. :)
- pavlovs_dog0
" Always look on the bright side of life? "
- digitalswarm0
Jesus had an iBook with tons of iTunes plugins.
- QuincyArcher0
discipler, why do you keep on brining up JW's?
- GeorgiePorgie0
All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
- discipler0
Quincy, I didn't. If you read up in this thread, ponyboy and mimio brought up JW's well before I put in my 2 cents. I'm not singling them out. They were already being discussed.
- QuincyArcher0
ah, guess i didn't read enough...
but, i find the trinity quite interesting as well...
so, i'm wondering, if Jesus was God, who did he pray to all the time?
- ********0
There are five species of Great Apes: Gorillas, Orangutans, Bononos, Chimpanzees, and Man. I have no problem with the theory of evolution as such. But when human beings are so easily lumped together with other animals, as just one more step on the evolutionary staircase, with no essential difference in purpose or in responsibility, I cringe. It seems to me that all civilization hangs on this.
I know that that popular opinion is the accepted wisdom of our time. No one says it out loud, but the smart money these days is betting on “man as animal, and nothing more.” Many of our leaders in education, in criminal justice, in psychology and sociology, in government have removed God from their understanding of men and woman and (as a naively unintended consequence) have destroyed personal morality in the process. Public policy today expects people to act like monkeys – excuses it and makes provisions for it.
That’s why the Ten Commandments are banned from public places. (It’s not a question of church-state separation. That’s just the least offensive way to talk about it. It’s a question of obedience). You see, the Commandments are puzzling and troublesome to those who think of themselves, and others, as apes. Apes and other animals are part of nature, so they do what comes naturally. No restraints. No guilt. It’s an amoral world. (Neitchie said, “God is dead; all is permitted.”) The Commandments, on the other hand, call for unnatural behavior. Animals steal, they kill, they commit adultery, they covet, they don’t honor the parents, and, if they could, they would probably bear false witness! The Ten Commandments, all moral codes for that matter, assume an enormous difference between men and animals: and that difference is moral choice.