intelligent design
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- discipler0
Tick, thinks ridicule makes him looks smarter.
- ********0
I've intelligently designed my package
- ribit0
I dont think you can get very far with this discussion in such a narrow column... isnt there an online whiteboard or something we could scribble charts and known/disputed facts and stuff on?
- ********0
I dont think you can get very far with this discussion in such a narrow column... isnt there an online whiteboard or something we could scribble charts and known/disputed facts and stuff on?
ribit
(Oct 1 05, 08:18)
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This is exactly the type of rational, clearheaded thinking I admire. Skittles for you ribit, in all trhe colors of the rainbow...
- yarsrevenge0
After reading every single post.. I think Discipler's posts hold more substance.
You liberals are wacked and whats funny is it takes 50 of you to debate him and can't hold your own against him. Just give it up for the day... go learn from your wikipedias and watch the garbage on every media source your wacked minds digest and believe.
Evolution is a big turd the spaghetti monster excreted after an Italian reception.
- pavlovs_dog0
The moon landing was faked. it's ture ya know... no tin foil hats here...
- ribit0
"You liberals are wacked and whats funny is it takes 50 of you to debate him and can't hold your own against him."
um... who is the unbiased judge?
- pablito0
.. go learn from your wikipedias and watch the garbage on every media source your wacked minds digest and believe.
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(Oct 1 05, 11:35)Right, now we'll turn and watch faux news, especialy their Junk Science segment.
- scransom0
So to recap the non-disciplers: Mathmodels show things we should believe. So when some dude makes a videogame that shows something, it is true since math also took men to
the moon.Therefore, anyone can do hayukens street fighter 2 style and transform into massive robots at will.
Personally with this newfound freedom, I can't wait to beam around the universe at warp speed fighting little green men.
Thanks for clearing discipler's shamanistic science out of the way. Let us gather our elven enchantments, mythril and ogre to cast a spelll on the evil eye of sauron at once!
- ribit0
this thread needs more scientific method. but then it is Newstoday.
- yarsrevenge0
I created an animation of a prehistoric chimp that shape-tweens into a liberal homosapien... but my vectors got all wacked so I threw it out the window. It kept giving me output errors of some missing link. *shrugs*
- ********0
So to recap the non-disciplers: Mathmodels show things we should believe. So when some dude makes a videogame that shows something, it is true since math also took men to
the moon.Therefore, anyone can do hayukens street fighter 2 style and transform into massive robots at will.
Personally with this newfound freedom, I can't wait to beam around the universe at warp speed fighting little green men.
Thanks for clearing discipler's shamanistic science out of the way. Let us gather our elven enchantments, mythril and ogre to cast a spelll on the evil eye of sauron at once!
scransom
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Excellent. Those higher reasoning powers brought to you by genetics and my education taxdollars seem to really have paid off.Right, no difference bertween using mathmatical abstraction for creating art and for getting man on the moon. Correct. One and the same thing. Right.
Please tell me you are really not that much of a moron. And If so, I want all the money that wernt form my taxes to educate you back. Right now. In cash.
- Nairn0
If there was an Intelligent Designer..
..what was Her motivation?
- deep_throat0
discipler you dumb cunt, there was a reason why i brought up Conway's LIfe game. Look this is what you typed befor i posted that:
["Order and Complexity do not have to be designed, they can quite simply 'occur' without any outside intervention. "
Pure fantasy and uttern nonsense, Nairn. Have you thoroughly studied this issue? Clearly not. Or else your terribly dishonest. Produce for me the mechanism that is sufficient.
and your reasoning is classic - I don't agree with them so they are crackpots. Lovely.
discipler
(Sep 30 05, 06:15)]you see you fuckwit?? I was not trying to explain how the cell formed or dna per se, or counter how you and some other crack-pots believe someone had to wave a magic wand to come into existent. But to show you, visually, how simplicity can turn into a manifold layers of complexity - spontaneously, based on the simple rules of the universe.
When i say i pinned you against the wall, it was clear that you went back on the above post you made and starting going on about "yes but scientist have proven the cell cant have emerged randomly". Well that's bollocks to start with, nor was that your initial argument, you slippery little cunt!!
- deep_throat0
and yeah, i'm really gonna take a man who believes the Earth is some 6,000 years old and noah put all the animals in the world on his boat, seriously when it comes to science.
- jhoytosu0
Deep throat, calm down mate.
Anyways, I think this conversation should probably end.
Online debate never goes very far.
- discipler0
"deep throat", this "debate" will end as all past discussions with you have, me ignoring you because you are crass (to say the least) and clearly, not terribly bright.
I'll disregard your alleged quote where you inserted things i never said, (or just quoted someone else), and I'll just drive home a final point for the thinking folks here:
Conway's game of Life is able to represent a Universal Turing Machine (a computer that is able to run any program). The problem is that UTMs need to be programmed.
(-gratuitous pause to let that sink in-)...
And where does the program come from?
(-2nd gratuitous pause to let it sink in-)...
This falls under what is called the typical "free lunch" fallacy. For specifics on this fallacy, read chapter 4 in Dr. William Dembski's aptly titled book, "No Free Lunch".
And again, to find out why this has no value in the realm of biochemistry as pertaining to the "development"of organic life, just read 20 or 30 of my other posts. :)
g'bye deep throat.
- deep_throat0
discpler, that quote is geniunely urs, pure and uneditted. Check my first post in this therad then go back about ten posts or so. i spoke in reply to that.
anyway...
"Conway's game of Life is able to represent a Universal Turing Machine (a computer that is able to run any program). The problem is that UTMs need to be programmed."
You completely fail to understand Conway's life game, (probably cos you're so very dense).
Conway's life game is an evolution system. You start with a seemingly random splattering of dots (i'll call them dots and not cells because that seems to be confusing you). Those dots are subjet to rules that simulate "rules" (not laws) of the universe. What happens to these dots when processed over time is that they grow/evolve and becoming, to subjective human interpretation, highly complex systems - such as prime number generating machines.
" And where does the program come from?"
Right, the "programme" for a prime number generating machine does come from humans. But that's because man, by trial and error, experiments with thousands of starting patterns of dots, one such pattern will eventually lead to a prime numbre generating machine. Others will be still born and result in nothing. Others will do something else, completely unexpected.
However, the analogy that you seem to be finding difficult to grasp, is that you can see through the Life Game, that if you had an infinite number of life games, genereating an infinite number of patterns, over an infinite time period - somewhere, sometime, a prime number generating machine will be "born". Because at some point, the one, simple combination of dots that generates the machine will have been randomly hit.
This is another aesthetic appreciation of a universe in which something as seemingly complex as human emotion, can be generated from a base startin poin. because, it just seems to me, that you have trouble appreciating how a simple random starting point can create order (as experienced through human subjectivity).
Conway's Life Game is simply a demonstration of this. i am not trying to explain the ins and outs of a cell or IC or anything. Just appreciate, the concept, that from a few dots, all sorts of mad shit can happen.
- danthon0
ya lost me at noah's ark
- deep_throat0
apparently noah had all the animals in all the world on a giant ark.. two by two, even panda's who never fuck each other. :)