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- ********0
Ape to Man
www.historychannel.com...Your comments on the show?
JazX
(Aug 9 05, 10:13)Ape to Man would be a great band name.
- Point50
If god created thongs, I belive...
- fate_0
There are small holes in the Evolutionary Theory.
There are major, enormous holes in the teachings of Christianity (Genesis, I'm looking at you)
Now the problem here is that the former, Science, has the burden of proof. It has to fill in its holes, however tiny they may be.
The latter, religion, just says "I believe" and expects unquestioning support.
So I believe in the less flawed of the two, and my faith goes to finding answers, not simply blindly accepting the flawed and rickety model of religion given to us.
That is the real debate here. Challenging the status quo. Let discipler fight change. He'll end up losing.
- ukit0
So in sunmary, there's about as much evidence for intelligent design as there is that humans were delivered to earth by space aliens.
Which some people believe, by the way:
- Mimio0
1) Nothing supernatural has ever been scientifically observed, tested, or recreated. Therefore it's illogical to assume 'supernatural' 'properties' can explain natural phenomena.
2) Many of the mechanics of macroevolution have been observed (genetics, adaptation, mutation, embryonic development). Therefore it is better at describing and predicting natural process and phenomena.
- ********0
The only thing [my kind] would say about Constantine was that he, rather tragically, married true early Christianity with Greek paganism. And this would produce the Roman Catholic church.
discipler
(Aug 9 05, 14:01)Haaa haaa, I love the fact that the roots of Catholicism are paganistic.
- Mimio0
Remember to laugh when you put up your Christmas tree, celebrate Easter, and pass out candy on Halloween Jazx.
- unfittoprint0
"Getting your history wrong. The council of Nicea was organized to silence the heresy which suggested that Jesus was a created being rather than eternal God"
not to silence an heresy.
to "upgrade" a dogma.
funny how this so called "heresy"
was believed to be true
if by the one
who called the council.
know your roots. know the truth.
- pocho0
interesting response to Disciplers growing list:
- IRNlun60
as much as I might question some of disciplers points and as regurgitated as this topic is, I have to say it's really a great thread for both points of view.
...I'm sticking with we're from some other planet.
how can life on other planets be interpreted within evolution vs. creationist theories?
- kld0
I swear when I look at a seal I can see my dog
- kld0
I like killing these threads, very satisfying.
- ********0
For some odd reason, I fee like hearing, 'In The Summertime' by Mungo Jerry
- visualplane0
Let's devolve it immediately...
*peels banana
Point5
(Aug 9 05, 13:35)Evolving is so passe. Throws excrement as well.
- ********0
Let's devolve it immediately...
*peels banana
Point5
(Aug 9 05, 13:35)Evolving is so passe. Throws excrement as well.
visualplane
(Aug 9 05, 18:14)*touches digits and for the first time realizes has opposable thumb
- Phaze0
Reading this thread is like arguing with people that attack me with pamphlets....everyone is going to believe what they want anyway so that's that.
Just curious, what was Jesus doing in his teens? anyone? There seems no record of what he was up to......I'm sure the Church will tell us when they are ready, ...then they will make a pamphlet about that too......
maybe I'll start giving them a portion of my wealth so I can chill in heaven.......
- discipler0
Let me try to address the assault that was launched while I was away. I'll do it according to user name...
fate_ -
The holes in evolutionary theory are not small:
1. The Cambrian Explosion (millions of species suddenly appearing in the fossil record with no time to have evolved) = not a small problem.
2. Irreducibly Complex biological machines which could not have developed thru small successive mutations = not a small problem.
3. An 100% lack of TRUE transitional fossils between species = not a small problem.These are pretty substantial actually. And these are just scratching the surface.
As for the alleged "holes" in Christianity (Genesis), I've yet to encounter an apparent contradiction or issue that did not get resolved thru careful reading - in context. The burden lies with the accuser to produce the error. I can guarantee you that every part of Genesis squares up with modern science. Try me. And somehow I think the countless phD's who hold every word of the Bible as infallible, and who eat, sleep and breathe it's study, might have a reason for their position.
Also, you make the error of saying this is an issue of "religion" vs. science. It isn't. It's an issue of new discoveries in science challenging old ideas and the proponents of these old ideas not wanting to let go. Religion has nothing to do with the core scientific issues being challenged here.
Mimio -
1. Species to species evolution has neither been scientifically observed, tested, or recreated. Information, as in DNA, has never been generated apart from a cognizant intelligent entity, therefore, it's only logical to assume that life is ultimately the product of a supernatural being. This is true of a universe with a beginning. Something immaterial and uncaused would be required as the author. It's only logical.
2. Genetics, adaptation and mutation do not suggest species to species evolution. They demonstrate variation within a genome. Science observes variation whtin a phenotype. i.e. different breeds of dogs. But science does not observe dogs becoming cats. The genome remains as is. Therefore, an intelligent designer is a superior explanation for organic life.
unfitt -
You have common misunderstanding of the purpose of the council of nicea. The concern was clear and any true student of Christian history or legitimate scholar will tell you: it was to combat the heresy that relegated Christ to creature rather than Creator. Don't let Constantine's involvement convince you of something categorically untrue. Here is a scholarly treatment for your edification:
http://www.equip.org/free/DN206.…You cannot upgrade "dogma" when the doctrine has been clearly set in scripture centuries before:
Colossians 2:9 -
"For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form"know the roots. know the truth.
Pocho -
The NCSE exists as a direct and frenzied response to the I.D. movement (which consequently indicates the threat I.D. is posing to dated ideas). This "response" to the Dissent list is telling. I think it was damaging to their position to publish this article on their site because you see a panicky attempt at focusing on rather insignificant semantics in order to somehow discredit the numerous scientists who signed the list CLEARLY understanding it's purpose and intent. Note also that the "response" article is dated 3 years ago - now notice how the Dissent list has been regularly updated since then (March 05 - most recent entries). More and more scientists joining the dissenting ranks. Further information on this:
http://www.discovery.org/scripts…>end responses
- Phaze0
The bible was supposed to be taken metaphorically...there was no "Noah's arc" he just floated around with a few animals from his farm till he struck land a few hundred miles away =)
Ever tell someone something, they tell someone else..and so on? The story gets jacked ass backwards after a bit...multiply that times.....then times that...now add a sprinkle of shady ass religious dudes that want to break the backs of everyone over there religion...then re-write the book.....then puff a blunt...then crack a PBR......
- kld0
enter actual serious question:
Why did this ID guy put the fossils in the rocks, just to stir up some controversy maybe? Weed the believers out from the rest?
- eficks0
yay, i like merry go rounds... round we go again.