i h8 graphic designers
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- blackspade
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"As much as I agree with you on the emotional level I must still say that some clients boss around their designers too much. It very much depends on good project management I guess but some clients really do look over your shoulders all the time.
All craftsmen get irritated at this. I guess the electricity guy who sets up the wiring in your house would be irritated as well if he would have people dabble to much in his craftsmanship. And all in all, not much differs craftsmen apart, they (probably most of them) have education and they perform a specialized craft.
The higher up in the food chain of craftsmanship you get, the less you encounter this dabble-problem. As a designer, of course you improve your design skills and your talent at communicating your ideas to clients, but the more original respect you have the less dabble. A junior designer for example have just finished school and probably have poor skills in design and communication with real clients.
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Designers ain't artists?
You need to hit the books and get your head
out of your....oops...pardon. Check out
the history of design and graphic design and
broaden your horizons. It might make you a
better artist if you're not afraid to open
your closed but "liberal" mind. I say these things
without the least bit of hostility but maybe I should
leave that judgment to the mind of the reader
and see if they can figure it out for themselves
if this little diatribe is hostile or satirical.
Best of luck in your quest for freedom. "
- BonSeff0
glad someone caught that read.
- skelly0
I hate when people thing designers are trying to be "artists" just because they don't like non-designers telling them how to design. I'm not trying to be an artist I'm just trying to do my job.
- airey0
he's got a point.
- druze0
at the end of the day as a designer ur just fulfilling the need of the client. if the client doesnt like it then so be it. its them paying the money. u could argue the point that they are not professionals in design and therefore have no right to comment but u're getting paid to give them what THEY want. i had this talk with a guy who owned an art school and who was an artist himself who put this into perspective for me, because at the time i was annoyed at the this same fact, but as has been mentioned many times b4 in this forum, their is a distinct difference between art and design even if they are related.
- skelly0
there's a HUGE difference between art and design. working for self vs. working for someone else. but it's like the analogy of the electrician in the first post. some clients just step to far.
- druze0
i agree with that too. clients should realise that u, as a designer, are the professional and as such have the knowledge and the experience to help their business thru good design. i think good communication is a key factor. like helping them to understand a design decision even if they still want things their way is better than kicking up a stink and trying to fight them head.
- honest0
I've always felt that art is difficult to define completely. Are paintings by chimps and 5 year olds art if they are auctioned at millionaire prices? Could a piece of typography appear so delicious and beautiful that it could be framed and admired in galleries? Is a country's flag a design or a piece of art? Where did they draw (no pun intended) the line back in the day when artists were commissioned to produce posters for shows and performances? Can Design be Art's little brother/sister/apprentice? always snapping at their heels and just not quite 100% ever achieving that ego-inflated status as Art? I dunno, I just feel the more we discuss this subject, the less time we spend making it.
- scarabin0
it really depends on what kind of design you're doing
doing movie posters, game covers 'n' shit is just like painting- indeed painting is a large part of what we do (we just do it digitally), and i get as much satisfaction out of it as i do painting at home on canvas as a "fine artist". it demands a painter's skill in color mixing, psychology, lighting, atmosphere, and everything else
i would not hesitate to say that some key art should be framed and viewed in galleries
and then you've got designers who do grocery store flyers for a living
i would not say that is art or should be viewed artistically in anything more than a kitsch context
i guess what i'm saying is that many areas of design can be cross-referenced as art
- rabattski0
complaining designers are so unsexy.
- save0
blah blah blah
- vespa0
my thoughts exactly save
stop taking yerselves so seriously!
- rabattski0
i think most designers are too sensitive. don't think there ever would be such a discussion when it's about the trash men profession. it's about time that the designer become real man. and when push comes to shove, just throw a punch. client or no client, boss or no boss.
- vespa0
exactamente rabattski
dramah queens the lot of yers! grow some baws fer gawds sake!
- rabattski0
you know, when i think of it, i know where the problem lies, it's the 2 sizes too small t-shirt and the emo core hair covering the obligatory 1 eye. most designers look like pussies if you ask me, they just ask to be whoopassed / abused. :)
- randoman0
*throws a small cup of vanillia pudding on vespa and storms from the room.
- vespa0
*douses vanilla pudding with vodka mid-air, lights it and catches flaming shot in mouth without putting a hair out of place or smudging lipstick
COME BACK HERE YER BIG GIRL'S BLOUSE
*spits*
- save0
*looks in amazement
- kelpie0
you know, when i think of it, i know where the problem lies, it's the 2 sizes too small t-shirt and the emo core hair covering the obligatory 1 eye. most designers look like pussies if you ask me, they just ask to be whoopassed / abused. :)
rabattski
(May 13 05, 01:43)ha ha ha ha!! :)
you forgot the polo neck sweaters and the round red sunglasses mate...
- spongebob0
I've always felt that art is difficult to define completely. Are paintings by chimps and 5 year olds art if they are auctioned at millionaire prices? Could a piece of typography appear so delicious and beautiful that it could be framed and admired in galleries? Is a country's flag a design or a piece of art? Where did they draw (no pun intended) the line back in the day when artists were commissioned to produce posters for shows and performances? Can Design be Art's little brother/sister/appre ntice? always snapping at their heels and just not quite 100% ever achieving that ego-inflated status as Art? I dunno, I just feel the more we discuss this subject, the less time we spend making it.
honest
(May 12 05, 23:58)I read your whole bunch of words and I like the last sentence. : )
But still here I am on NT, wasting away like everyone else who is reading this. : (
- honest0
make art/design not war on words