i h8 graphic designers
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- mrdobolina0
Id rrather be known as creative. It's less limiting.
- swollenelbow0
designers are riders of the sky. don't fuck with us.
yipppeee i eeyyy.
- sauerbraten0
nobody can deny that a great 'design' transcends it's first purpose of serving a function and can become 'art'.
how many things in MoMA are 'design' pieces?
- moveinspace0
“Designers solve problems for clients. Artists solve problems for humanity. The latter is the greatest problem.”
John Maeda.
- enobrev0
I prefer being known as a drunk... but hey, creative - reliant upon inebriating substances... hardly a difference.
As for design as an art, if you feel any profession in which someone puts time into creative solutions to very limited problems is merely a way to make a buck, you probably buy paintings from people you'll never know.
Sure we do what we do to pay the rent, but there are some of us who do what we do - very well - to make paying the rent far more satisfying.
An artist is someone who can break the barriers of impossibility and cynicism and make people think, if at least to think about keeping up. I can't blame them for paying their rent along the way.
Then again designers are self-centered ego-manics with their heads so far up their own asses they can re-regurgitate last night's corn, so it can be fun to tell them they aren't artists, just to watch them throw a temper tantrum.
Ok... admittedly I haven't read this whole thread. I just have a few drink in me, the sun is coming up and I decided this was a perfect oppotunity to piss on designers on a designer forum.
- Rand0
designers are colossi striding the earth
- mrdobolina0
hahaha
- BonSeff0
glad someone caught that read.
- skelly0
I hate when people thing designers are trying to be "artists" just because they don't like non-designers telling them how to design. I'm not trying to be an artist I'm just trying to do my job.
- airey0
he's got a point.
- druze0
at the end of the day as a designer ur just fulfilling the need of the client. if the client doesnt like it then so be it. its them paying the money. u could argue the point that they are not professionals in design and therefore have no right to comment but u're getting paid to give them what THEY want. i had this talk with a guy who owned an art school and who was an artist himself who put this into perspective for me, because at the time i was annoyed at the this same fact, but as has been mentioned many times b4 in this forum, their is a distinct difference between art and design even if they are related.
- skelly0
there's a HUGE difference between art and design. working for self vs. working for someone else. but it's like the analogy of the electrician in the first post. some clients just step to far.
- randoman0
Sure, a modern example could be something as simple as the screen saver. Originally designed to function as an application to prevent screen burn, it made it's way into something that was more geared towards artwork than function.
I'm not sure of the function (if any) that the design of the windchime was supposed to serve (Im guessing it had something to do with wind velocity/detection, but today I think it's more art than anything else.
Clothing itself was originaly a design to protect man from the elements (and from oversexed woman), over time came fasion which would fuse art and expression into clothing. Fasion in itself is a movement that seems to take the facilities of design into the expression of art.
Like I was saying before though, "real" art I feel is always created by the viewer, not so much the creator of the object itself or even an artist. An artist can try to help the viewer see the art in something, but ultimately it's all in the eye of the beholder.
I often hear from people that they are envious of artists and other creatives because they themselves lack the power of imagination that it takes to create art. In all cases I can prove them wrong by having them give me their take on something (either tangeable or intangeable) and explaining how they releate to it or picture it. By doing so, they have created art themselves... everyone is a creative, an artist, thats the point. everyone has it inside, it's how they are able to express it to others and by what means they choose to do so.
- druze0
i agree with that too. clients should realise that u, as a designer, are the professional and as such have the knowledge and the experience to help their business thru good design. i think good communication is a key factor. like helping them to understand a design decision even if they still want things their way is better than kicking up a stink and trying to fight them head.
- blackspade0
interesting responses, thanks peoples
- honest0
I've always felt that art is difficult to define completely. Are paintings by chimps and 5 year olds art if they are auctioned at millionaire prices? Could a piece of typography appear so delicious and beautiful that it could be framed and admired in galleries? Is a country's flag a design or a piece of art? Where did they draw (no pun intended) the line back in the day when artists were commissioned to produce posters for shows and performances? Can Design be Art's little brother/sister/apprentice? always snapping at their heels and just not quite 100% ever achieving that ego-inflated status as Art? I dunno, I just feel the more we discuss this subject, the less time we spend making it.
- scarabin0
it really depends on what kind of design you're doing
doing movie posters, game covers 'n' shit is just like painting- indeed painting is a large part of what we do (we just do it digitally), and i get as much satisfaction out of it as i do painting at home on canvas as a "fine artist". it demands a painter's skill in color mixing, psychology, lighting, atmosphere, and everything else
i would not hesitate to say that some key art should be framed and viewed in galleries
and then you've got designers who do grocery store flyers for a living
i would not say that is art or should be viewed artistically in anything more than a kitsch context
i guess what i'm saying is that many areas of design can be cross-referenced as art
- blackspade0
"Unfortunately in our field, in a so-called creative activity – I’ve begun to hate that word. I especially hate when it is used as a noun. I shudder when I hear someone called a 'creative'. Anyhow, when you are doing something in a recurring way to diminish risk or doing it in the same way as you have done it before, it is clear why professionalism is not enough. After all, what is desirable in our field, is continuous transgression. Professionalism does not allow for that because transgression has to encompass the possibility of failure and if you are professional your instinct is not to fail, it is to repeat success. Professionalism as a lifetime aspiration is a limited goal."
- stem0
Client's will always like to 'dabble' in the process.
1. Beacuse they (or their company) are paying.
2. Because they have no talent, but want do show the boys back at the office how clever they are.
3. They like the feeling of power they get from giving orders.
4. They just need an excuse to get out of the office.
- rabattski0
complaining designers are so unsexy.