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- k770
I think that the designs I've seen here are way too savvy for the SUV-driving, mall-frequenting soccer moms feeding happy meals to their fat kids. © msparkle
^ exactly what makes the chosen logo good. it's so dumb to namericans, but some dude from israel is gonna eat up the story.
btw, that little smile he has? that's called canadian irreverence.
- nLHb0
calgary 1988 olympics
- ********0
thank you both for the intelligent replies.
k77 - there is a big difference between making change and talking about it. i agree with some of what you are saying, but i feel that it drifts from the core subject. the logo has nothing to do with our design scene. the olympic games are to do with perseverance and determination, chasing goals, not reflecting on irrelevant heritage.
i am all up for cultural integrity, i just feel we used the olympics as an escape goat. there could have been a more appropriate measure for implying this history... they figured we could nail two birds with one stone. and hey thats cheating, and this is the olympics god damn it.
- ********0
btw, that little smile he has? that's called canadian irreverence.
k77
(Apr 25 05, 10:14)lol
Won't somebody please think about the children?
d_realm
(Apr 25 05, 10:13)lol
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great discussion, dudes.
- mrsparkle0
k77: i agree somewhat... it has to appeal to kids, and i know that we've all got our 'too cool' hats and have to step back and take the perspective of an average person.
Maybe i'm just pissed that the designer got 25K for that logo
- Xrtions0
it's true, the soccer moms will eat this up. and since LA '84, the olympics are as much about making profits as they are about the athletic competition.
- Xrtions0
yeah we all seem to be thinking about what we would like to see (as designers) rather than whats best for the greater good.
- k770
there's a huge diff between talking and doing.
a logo designed for an international event held in canada by a designer from canada has everything to do with CANADA, you can't neatly dissect the 2. thus i think this discussion is so rich.
lots of excellent identities work as a 2 for 1. it's not cheating. it's being broad. open ended. giving narrative. bang for the buck. faster stronger longer deeper harder or whatever it is. what's wrong with that?
- cornflake0
inukshooks are sweet!!
here is one that me and some buddies built up at my cottage.
the pic isn't great but is was the only one i could find right now.
http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph…
- k770
Maybe i'm just pissed that the designer got 25K for that logo
mrsparkle
(Apr 25 05, 10:27)reminds me of ghostface:
why'd you get the same shoes as me?
jealousy!
- ********0
i think it is nice to incorporate native symbols, but not out of historical guilt. people invade other people's turf since... since... i don't know... since kubrick's 2001...
and i utterly agree with magicpath. the olympics are suppose to express that we cannot do most of the time. that's why they are so important. that's why i don't think one can find better concept that those rings, where no proper culture is express but as a circle (something closed) that by the olympic spirit interconnects perfectly with other circles.
to universally express culture one most draw it in equal proportion, circle after circle, and not dwell on particulars. particulars automatically leaves you in a ideological ground.
- Solid0
The Canada that "they" want to sell to the world is not the Canada that exists for a great many Canadians.
Romanticising a people and a culture that have been thoroughly exploited throughout Canada's history? Uniting Canadians under an inuit banner? "Respecting" our past (read: indigenous peoples) via some token icon?
Nice try, but I don't think so.
How many Canadians here were born of immigrant parents? How many of those immigrant parents give two-you-know-whats about native Canadian culture? If asked to describe Canada, and their experience of what Canada is - how many would mention native Canadians?
Yet Canada is a "cultural mosaic" of international peoples, no?
- nLHb0
where i grew up on vancouver island native culture was always a part of my education. we also had a native culture center and museums and had many chances to learn about the native peoples of british columbia
- k770
i guess they coulda played up "british" columbia
psh.
- vburo0
i have not read all new responses yet, but in reply to greg's nightly ponderings i have to say this:
you are right for the most part, and what i see coming from this is that kids at school will have olympics-themed events for sure, where they will be taught about the Canadian aboriginals.. but then i seriously wonder if any educative material produced with permission of the Olympic Commitee will be fair and honest about this not so bright and shiny history. i have serious doubts. I don't see any lesson-material in this regard contain the negative aspects of colonalization..
- Xrtions0
Solid, that is very true, but maybe this will be the start for the first, second, third generation canadians to better understand the history of the country they live in.
sure we can't change what happened in the past, but maybe somehow this will expose people to what did happen and inspire some to help salvage what is left of the native culture.
- vburo0
k77: i agree somewhat... it has to appeal to kids, and i know that we've all got our 'too cool' hats and have to step back and take the perspective of an average person.
Maybe i'm just pissed that the designer got 25K for that logo
mrsparkle
(Apr 25 05, 10:27)Rand and i had an excellent discussion about this a week or so ago..
"have to step back and take the perspective of an average person. "
Rand said (more or less), and i wholeheartedly agreed in the end, that graphic design's greater purpose is to make people think a lil more, to spark a bit of an intellectual engine inside someones mind.
i mean, if we would only design by putting ourselves in the minds of joe average we could jsut as well quit our jobs and let joe decide on himself what logo he likes then, either that or our profession would degrade to one that requires solely technical merit.
- k770
i agree vburo. i think it's our job to elevate the average joe a up to to our level. i think this design specifically, at least amongst this forum is bit contreversial which means (to me at least) that it's doing something to make people think)
i think it's impossible for nondesigners to be so pretentious as us. pretention.. it's just part of the job innit?
- ********0
i can also imagine the event and lead time having a theme, almost survivor like aesthetics... when it should be next to brandless
- vburo0
very true.
but the pretention should be a leadoff to live up to it.