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- Mimio0
So in Genesis, Where Jacob and Abram see God and he speaks to them, there aren't really seeing God? Am I getting that right?
- plastipop0
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- discipler0
Ever heard of the experiment with water where you can place a vacuum tube in a bucket of water, lower the temperature of the bucket so that the water freezes, heat the tube such that liquid inhabits the tube and steam puffs out the top. All at once you have water in it's 3 states: solid, liquid and gas.
Certainly if water, the simplest of all elements can exist in these 3 forms at once, the creator of water can. That is not terribly hard to rationalize, is it?
- plastipop0
mim, can you give me a chapter & verse?
- plastipop0
i'd just like to know exactly what passage you are speaking of...
- Mimio0
Genesis 17:1
Genesis 32:30Discipler,
A person would not rationally conclude that the water is now different water all of the sudden. Just the same water with different reactions. Properly educatied, they wouldn't conclude that the water is also somehow immaterial and material at the same time either.
- discipler0
The passage Mimio is speaking of is one of many "Theophanies" of the Old testament - preincarnate appearances of God the Son. They are replete throughout the O.T.. And no, they did not see God, they saw a Theophany, a manifestation. Not God in is full triune glory.
- discipler0
Mimio, you miss the point. A marginally bright person would conclude that if something as basic as water can exist in 3 forms simultaneously... an infinite God could as well.
- mrdobolina0
Discipler, did the bible teach you to be so condescending to people who don't share or question your beliefs?
- discipler0
It doesn't become 3 elements. It's all still water. Just as the one God remains one God, as the Hebrew Shama proclaims.
- Mimio0
Discipler,
Sounds like Christian Apologetic wordsmithing to me. The bible literally says they saw God face to face. It doesn't say they saw a "Theophanies"(whatever that is)
- Mimio0
So discipler,
If I saw the water with my own two eyes, how could it also be true that I didn't see it?
- gruntt0
(in an effeminate southern male voice)
hey y'aaaaall, is this like some kind of book club or something?
- thenuge0
who cares. its' just an old book.
- discipler0
Mrdob, how have i been condescending? Because I'm giving direct responses to objections?
Mimio, v:24 of the same Genesis chapter: "So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak."
It was a manifestation of God - Just as Christ is. Jacob saw God in a Theophany. This is why you don't read the Bible at face value and draw conclusions - that's how cults get started. No one has ever seen God because in his true nature He is spirit and cannot be seen. He appeared to the patriarchs in manifestations. So, in once sense He has been seen thru these physical manifestations, but in another very real sense, He cannot be seen and has never been seen because his core nature is spirit.
- discipler0
lol @ gruntt
- plastipop0
yeeesh!, talk about condescending...
- Mimio0
So Jesus wasn't really God? Just a manifestation?
- mayo0
i've read it twice...if you count the Children's Bible when i was a kid as one of the times. I still have it though. The artwork is interesting.
- mrdobolina0
Discipler, statements like this:
"A marginally bright person would conclude that..."
You have about 5 responses that work like that and you have done so in other threads. Also, have you ever discussed anything besides religion around here?