Mother Earth
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- jevad0
because, as mimio said, "Pollution is far more widespread and insidious now."
- mrdobolina0
sell your car.
- RIZ0
I live in NZ and I can't wait to have kids. If you ever need to 'cleanse' come and live here for a while, and see how people should treat the earth.
- Soler0
http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps…
people are still dying as a result of the radiation received—is in the region of 140,000. Among those who survived, the long-term effects of radiation sickness, genetic and chromosome injury, and mental trauma have been catastrophic, even unborn children having been stunted in growth and sometimes mentally retarded.
- tny0
by the way, i wasn't hijacking...my wife became so obsessed with this that she went back to school to get a phd in enviromental engineering at mit...so there *are people out there that are trying to fix 'er up
- jevad0
its all good - just been listening to Bruce Hornsby & The Range and thats just 'The Way It Is'...sing it Bruce, sing it...
- blackspade0
never fear,
maybe the expanding universe will collapse back on it self before we fuk it up
- tny0
grey matter matters
- DaveId0
JazX,
i don't generally go in for "mother earth" rants either, but as far as i know, most respected experts (academics, organizations, NGOs etc) involved in long-term environmental thinking advocate just that sort of emergency conservation.
for exapmple, in "the future of life" (by E.O. Wilson, one of the most important biologists of the 20th Century, and by no means an environmental radical) , he argues that the human race will only survive the current biodiversity botttleneck (next 100 years) if we radically change our behavior now.
this is coming from one of the most resptected scientists in the world.
i totally respect your position regarding co2, but it is only one factor in a system so complex that systems theory specialists wouldn't publically dare to make predictions. I'm not completely sold on the global warming argument either, but according to practically everone who looks at the data, and is qualified to make assesments (not counting various politically motvated diatribes) we either straighten things out, or it is indeed spanking time.
the scariest part is that silly threads like this is exactly where the battle is won or lost (half of us think there's no problem). It is our uninformed opinions that count when it comes to rallying political and economic support for what could be fairly painless solutions.
knee-jerk political bias is natural, but is the enemy of reasoned policy making.
it would only take $50 billion to secure every biodiversity hot-spot on the planet (according to Wilson, step 1 in ensuring long-term survival of our species), and we just spent how many hundreds of billions on a needless military campaign.
technically speaking, we are indeed probably fucked.
*apologies for a humorless rant
- blackspade0
tru, u dont have to be a scientist to realise we are fucking the delicate balance that is earth
just imagine if that military budget was put towards solving the earths real problems
guess its too late for that now
- mrdobolina0
sell your cars, that would be doing your part.
- Mimio0
What do you expect from a wealth chasing aristocracy whos eschatological
beliefs prevent them from looking at their legacy as humans on earth.
- ********0
yeah gents, I like both mimio and jevad, but that's highly disputed: because, as mimio said, "Pollution is far more widespread and insidious now." I'm actually not even sure that applies to the current time. Pollution is less now that it has been in a while, at least in the US: http://www.cleanairprogress.org/…
- mrdobolina0
Urban Sprawl is the reason for most of the cars on the road. It is also the reason for most of the urban decay. look at detroit.
- ********0
Mimio gets a Loopkit either way :)
- rasko40
only read the first post jevad, but.. youmight like this new t-shirt I'm working on right now.
well.. maybe.
- Mimio0
“Other companies helped pay for TV and newspaper ads produced by the Foundation for Clean Air Progress, a nonprofit institute funded by energy, transportation and manufacturing companies that operates out of the offices of the public relations firm, Burson-Marsteller.” (The Washington Post, 6/17/97)
- ********0
holy shiet jevad, this morning i was walking to work, this 1 ton truck was coming down an alley, and this thing was just farting black smoke and dust, just real nasty shiet... so the shiet of a driver pulls right in front of me, cutting me off, then i hauked a loogie on his window
brandelec
(jul 13 04, 13:08)that's pollution
- Mimio0
Right on Jazx,
Anytime you wanna visit the post-industrial epicenter of the US give me a ring.
- jevad0
Jaz...that website...is far from an independent source..infact..I would even go so far as to say it was funded and run by right-wing washington thinktanks....especially seeing as the website was registered from somebody here:
Independent, factual websites don't need the help of PR firms to push their 'cause'....