Fahrenheit 911 Trailer
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- ********0
"But certainly for the present age, which prefers the sign to the thing signified, the copy to the original, representation to reality, the appearance to the essence... illusion only is sacred, truth profane. Nay, sacredness is held to be enhanced in proportion as truth decreases and illusion increases, so
that the highest degree of illusion comes to be the highest degree of sacredness"- Feuerbach, Preface to the second edition of The Essence of Christianity
- johndiggity0
As I already said, Hoop Dreams was a documentary. Startup.com was a documentary. Both of those films "documented" the subjects, and the subject matter and story was so compelling, that's where the entertainment and art form of moviemaking came in. King Gimp is another example that comes to mind. All of these films were documented so well, I have no idea who directed them. The focus was the amazing real-life story being presented.
With Moore's films, we know they're his. He never stops talking and he's in almost every scene. He edits, splices, transitions things in such a way as to present a different story than what actually occured, albeit usually more entertaining as well, making himself and his opinions and ideals, not the subject matter, the actual focal point of his works. More in the realm of "mockumentaries" or docutainmnet" or another of many possible hybrid terms than the dictionary definition of documentary, which you really can't argue with. The dictionary isn't biased, it's 100% factual, and most times it is the fact checker. I'm all for looking beyond, but I call this as I see it and as it is.
- johndiggity0
I'd really rather not argue semantics anymore either.
- k0na_an0k0
i activated my colon this morning from a burrito last night. does that count?!?
seriously though. very good point fatty. very good point indeed.
- ********0
well, K Mart stopped selling ammunition and to any socially conscious, thinking individual, this is a big success, bigger than any Sean Hannity, John Diggity, or Rush Limbaugh will ever know...
- ********0
That's not true. All Moore is guilty of is taking perspective. That's no different to what any other documentarian does - including the ones u listed. mockumentary and docutainment are meaningless titles. You seen the french documentary Etre et Avoir? It's a documented account of life at a school in a small French village. The film maker deliberately took the perspective of displaying the tender relationship between the teacher and the pupisl and the cycle of learning and growing up. Nevertheless, the teacher in that film sued the documentary film makers for misrepresenting him. For making him look "holier" than he actually was. His own experience as a teacher was so different to the experience of outside film makers. That doesn't make him any more right - or even the documentary film makers. If it's so difficult to understand this collossul idea that is truth in real life - how are u gonna be able to grasp it in an always opinionated vision of a film maker? That dictionary definition is flawed because it defines what a documentary pertains to be. The reality is very different.
- ********0
Wow, this thread is still going, excellent!
Just to refresh everyone’s mind, in my opinion Bush signifies the beginning, of the end, of the America we used to love.
- Abby_Someone0
Got off my ass today! This was even before the sage advise from TransFatty. Volunteered at http://action.moveonpac.org/june… for this weekend.
I know, I know, George Soros is a baby killing, commie loving america hater so save me the bullshit.
- lilbabyarm0
this is going to be a great great film.
- TransFatty0
christopher hitchens and his Unfairenheit 9/11 article :
- ********0
The obvious personal attacks reflect the very fact that Hitchens, whom I read and respect, has not gotten the kudos or exposure for asking such questions to a national audience. Might I point something out? Bush, Inc. is a problem for the world, but the US is going to be ultimately responsible for removing him. I think Michael Moore symbolizes a non-perfect, loud idealist with very, VERY important QUESTIONS for Bush, Inc. and for the US. That is the point.....and for Hitchens to get bitchy like the Euro-Princess he can be...well. But the ultimate irony is the fact that his writing, for the average viewer for which this film is directed, is obtuse and pretty impenetrable, unlike Moore's FILM. This is the work of a filmmaker, not a bitter columnist with greatly detailed political/historical knowledge.
quote from a US news program:
HITCHENS: But speaking here in my capacity as a polished, sophisticated European as well, it seems to me the laugh here is on the polished, sophisticated Europeans. They think Americans are fat, vulgar, greedy, stupid, ambitious and ignorant and so on. And they‘ve taken as their own, as their representative American someone who actually embodies all of those qualities.
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