Mel Gibson...
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- pablito
Being the kind of actor he is, he most have a few millions on his account, but now, with the passion oh the christ the guy is going to get so much fu##ing money....., he put all the cash for the movie so i guess most of the profits go to him, and the movie has already cashed more than $ 350.000.000 in northamerica.
wow.
smart business man he is.
- AD___________0
Profiting off of Jesus has always been the way. to go. Just ask most TV evangelists.
On that note. Happy Easter! You knnow the day of supreme importance.... the final round of the Masters where we route for rich men to get richer hitting a little white ball in a hole.
Just kidding... i know easter is also about bunnys and stores selling expensive chocolate too.
- one2meny0
...Not a Jew
- DutchBoy0
there's zero relevance in what mr. Gibson earns, opposed to what effects his last production has on man's sanity.
- trobutta0
http://www.anncoulter.org/column…
went to easter service this morning.. my gf's dad calls the pastor ciaphas (among other things)
we were just talking about how if Jesus were being crucified today those people would be the ones doing the crucifying.. like good little religious folk. or according to my gf's dad "they would crucify him twice, with liquid nails and pull ties to make sure he didn't go anywhere."
- 19770
No wonder that Jesus today would be crucified by people like Bush, Rumsfeld, all those ultra right-winged tv preachers, most folks at the Vatican... Oh, the irony! Those who claim to be his sons, would be his judges.
- dprskier0
agreeing with the irony that 1977 has pointed out
- xrusos0
trobutta, that article is awesome! thanks for the link.
very thoughtful, witty, and full of rhetorical insight.
- trobutta0
xrusos... a conservative among liberals? no way!
yeah, ann coulter is hardfreakincore. if you haven't read her before you should definitely check her "Treason" book.
- xrusos0
i don't know if i'd classify myself as a conservative - but i agree with some stuff on that end. (i wouldn't say i'm liberal either - in fact, not even middle of the road!)
i really just appreciate well thought and rhetorical pieces.
call a spade a spade. agendas need to be flushed out more often.
- 19770
In the end, we (liberals) are "conservative liberals". Conservative in the deepest and less political, more material mean of the word. How many liberal NTers would share their goods? How many of them wouldn't mind losing them? Very few I guess, and I wouldn't be among those.
- DutchBoy0
that article gives me an uncomforatble sense of lopsidedness, as so many articles do on this highly sensitive matter.
There's only a presentation of facts that tends to benefit an opinion, instead of an objective approach where facts are still open to debate or at least can be weighed without any prejudicial conception.
I'd love to see articles that meet this objective criteria.
- DutchBoy0
"these .. criteria"
anyway, post away!
thx.
- GreedoLives0
I always find it funny that if someone like Jesus were to come along today, he would be outcast and discredited, and probably locked up in the drop of a hat. Imagine if a self-proclaimed savior with 12 'disciples' were to critizise the pope and the catholic church, call their practices greedy and corrupt and start toppling stuff in St. Peter's church. What would happen?
Another point: I've never understood the whole catholic guilt thing. Why exactly did Jesus need to get flogged to death for our sins? Why do we need physical abuse to rectify our greed, sloth, etc? Does that make sense to anyone? Why should I feel guilty for the sins of my forefathers? I'm a german citizen, by the way, and I don't feel one ounce responsible for all the Nazi atrocities. So why should catholics be made to feel guilty for someone stealing an apple when many of the most prominent televangelists and preachers are brought down by anything from corruption to pedophelia?
Perhaps the church itself could use a good reexamination of their doctrines and practices.
- trobutta0
who gives an ish about the catholic church.. Jesus was about something so much bigger than what these people have reduced him too.
"so many people confuse God and religion and they walk away from both."
it seems like alot of people are using the fallacies within religious constructs to justify their relativism.
- xrusos0
c'mon cy, you have to admit it was clever.
of course it was coming from an opposing side with a clear and deliberate agenda to discredit the journalistic integrity displayed by the Times. it wasn't hiding it's bias, just enlightening us to the unspoken side of things.
it had to make you think, "whoa, good point... didn't think of it that way..." right?
(all in all, i agree with you though, i'd rather people be unbiased - but since that's almost entirely impossible, i'd rather people be upfront with their bias.)
- 19770
Another point: I've never understood the whole catholic guilt thing. Why exactly did Jesus need to get flogged to death for our sins? Why do we need physical abuse to rectify our greed, sloth, etc? Does that make sense to anyone? Why should I feel guilty for the sins of my forefathers? I'm a german citizen, by the way, and I don't feel one ounce responsible for all the Nazi atrocities. So why should catholics be made to feel guilty for someone stealing an apple when many of the most prominent televangelists and preachers are brought down by anything from corruption to pedophelia?
Perhaps the church itself could use a good reexamination of their doctrines and practices.GreedoLives
(apr 11 04, 19:26)
-------------------I hear ya! I'm supposed to be a catholic, and never understood why I should feel guilty... And on the Nazi thing... It's funny, the other day I was talking to a friend of mine about how european people's guilt about the Holocaust has been a fundamental basis for Israel to act whatever and whenever they've wanted to. Oh poor people, look what they've passed through in the past, we can't tell them this or that, and hey, the Bible says that territory belongs to them (gotta laugh now). How many holocausts have been in our history? Many, too many. Just to name a few, there's what we did at South America and what WASPS did to american indians. I don't feel guilty about those genocides, why should I feel guilty about the jewish one? Fuck guilt! I'm only responsible for my own acts, not for what some crazy fuckers did in the past. And I shit on those who use other people's guilt to do what they want. I despise them, oh my, how I despise them!
- DutchBoy0
"it had to make you think, "whoa, good point... didn't think of it that way..." right?"
yes.
I haven't dug into the Times material on this subject, though.
"i'd rather people be unbiased - but since that's almost entirely impossible"
as for journalists or scientists, i say this should be their constant strife.
"i'd rather people be upfront with their bias"
yes, but the attempt to avoid being upfront reveals their intention to hide something. Most likely their fear of being exposed to open debate which is a lost case for their small minds.
- trobutta0
"not for what some crazy fuckers did in the past. And I shit on those who use other people's guilt to do what they want. I despise them, oh my, how I despise them! "
freak dood.. watch out, you are going to piss off jesse jackson. You failed to mention the most overtly obvious use of guilt in America.
I'm black - give me free tuition to any University because of the harm done to my ancestors by whitey
I'm black - I need reparations for the harm done to my ancestors
etc.
- 19770
Well, I think american black people's case is really "interesting". Yeah, there's that sort of attitude you mention from "guilty whiteys", positive discrimination and such, but there's still a fair amount of racism throughout the States... It's like: "hey, let's feel guilty, but let's not treat 'em like equals". Do I make sense?