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- warheros0
what do you expect to happen over there?
i dont think it's wrong the picture was shown on the front page, it's way worse over there and what really happens.
- one2meny0
Wow, that image woody is sick. I saw on the news, but there weren't all the people around at the time. Dude, the brainwashing is so obvious, look at all the young children...can anyone seriously argue that these kids know rationally what the heck they are really chanting for, or against for that matter.
- woodyBatts0
It is sick, unfortunately, and the people chanting i feel is the most disturbing.
- xaoscontrol0
That's old news, though. That was a couple of days ago that it happend.
I know the Army was trying ot hold it down but my understanding is that they pulled the Army out, restationed them around the city and have moved the Marines in to patrol. I'm of the thinking that they should have done that in the first place. I doubt Bush will turn tail on that one like Slick Willie did with Mogadishu.
The thing with this whole scenario is that people overlook the fact that not only that country but the entire world may very well be better off with a Saddam-free Iraq. It doesn't matter if there were or were not WMDs in there and it doesn't matter if it was about 'freeing the people of iraq of an evil regime' or ousting and 'immanent threat'.....they're better off.
Even Hans Blitz said the same thing a couple of weeks ago. Bush was impatient, I think. He wanted to get it done before the next election, I'm sure because if he didn't then the liberal/democrat party's would be saying that he did nothing. Then again, there could very have been anti-war rallys all over if the UN decided to go in along with the US.
Interesting history note: Back inthe day, the UN voted against getting involved in putting a stop to Hitler's sweep across Europe.
- xaoscontrol0
there's nothing pretty about any of this....
in fact...I'm not going to get into political talk.....quite frankly, I hate it. it pisses me off. I get bitter and unpleasant....I don't even want to vote becuase then I'd take it personal and then if the person I vote for wins, I'd get all wound up if/when people start speaking out against that person....
I's rather have nails driven into my eyeballs....grrrrrrrrrrrr
- woodyBatts0
Do you think the photo is out of line, regardl;ess of politics?
- Soler0
Yes, the photo is out of line. Unless it was for adults only. I don't think little kids need to be seeing that shit in papers and on the news. News is going to f'in kill this country. Its all scare tactics.
They can show all the nipples in the world, and it wouldn't add up to more than a child seeing a body hangin' from a bridge.
There's something wrong with our culture when death and murder and violence is graphically displayed in detail and not nudity- because it is "too graphic".
I say, report the news truthfully in writing, and figure out how to show the images in a more restricted way so it doesn't scare the shit out of everyone and desensitize our children and alienate the world.
whew.
- jevad0
"Back inthe day, the UN voted against getting involved in putting a stop to Hitler's sweep across Europe"
er...the UN wasn't formed until October 1945.
The League of Nations, it's predecessor, formed after WW1, sought to preserve peace through collective action, but as WW2 unfurled it became clear that the League had failed in its chief aim of keeping the peace. It had no military power of it's own like the UN does today. It depended on its members' contributions; and its members were not willing to use sanctions, economic or military. Moral authority was insufficient.
- Mr_Jump0
Do you think the news media is becoming increasingly sensationalist trying to satisfy our desire for violence and car-crash horror? We all (most of us) slow down when we see accidents just to see the dead bodies. I bet everyone here opened up those links even tho we all knew they were gonna be sick images. I dont think its a question of right or wrong on part of NY Times. They were giving us what we want. Most of us when we heard the news reports wanted to see graphic pictures (i know i did), if only to be repulsed properly. To have something more concrete to be repulsed at maybe. I dont understand the collective desire to be censored cos we can't control our urges - and cos they conflict with some other morality. (very Nietzche). Personally i want to be able to see the worst of humanity and come to terms with it. I want to see what those kids who threw rocks at the bodies saw. But them i'm twisted like that.
- Mr_Jump0
OK. I've just seen that avi someone posted. I didn't think it was that bad. Seeing someone murdered live, thats where i'd draw the line. We're soooo protected from death in this day and age. It all happens in a nice sanitised version away from us. I can see why people get shocked when they realise that they;re nothing more than a piece of meat.
- Soler0
Mr_Jump, I agree, would you want your 5-year-old to see it?
- woodyBatts0
Good call Jevad, as always.
Most people don't know Hitler was elected as well.
ooops
And as for the pic, even though it was bodies hangin, it was still cropped and censored, there is also a video that they aren't playing in america...
This is where I get all F**ked up
- Mr_Jump0
I dont have a 5 yr old. I'm no psychiatrist. But i think kids can deal with these things way better than grown ups. COs they dont have the emotional complexity to understand, or empathise with it. Or to have their view of the world shot to pieces. Cos they haven't really formed it yet. Thinkin back to when i was 5, i wuda just seen pictures and wuda been totally unmoved and gone out to climb trees (or whatever 5 yr olds do). I might be totally wrong. But i dont think i am. Any child psychiatrists in the house?
- Soler0
I'm no child psychiatrist either. I'd like to hear from one.
But, I do know I would get scared at scary shit. And it wasn't half as bad as it is now. thats all. may be its good for them
- Mr_Jump0
But if i was related to any of them. I wud have been totally offended. But then thats a whole nother issue. Maybe thats why some americans are offended - seeing they're fellow countrymen disrepected like that. I got a story about that, a girl i knew's brother fighting in iraq, when one of his fellow soldiers was killed he covered the body up with the american flag before he let the photographer take the picture. Made me think.
- _niko0
It's fucked up to see what's happening to Americans in Iraq.
It's even more fucked up that George Bush is joking about not finding any WMD's or the fact that he hasn't gone to one funeral of a fallen soldier.
but why should he care about the little man? Bush got his war, he got saddam, and all his friends got big fat oil and construction contracts, all with the blood of the people.
- Mr_Jump0
Made me think. Hmmm without the flag, people wuda thought, sheesh this guy's just cannon fodder. Meat thrown to the grinder. With the flag, the dead body has purpose - a transcedental value. Duty in death. somethin like that. I dunno, i'm trippin on this again
nevermind :/
- Soler0
the flag also covered his identity... out of respect. and it also respects his mission. heavy stuff man
- woodyBatts0
One of the greatest things my father ever told me about death was..."you're dead"
Trancendental value or not, you're dead. That makes me think. Flag or not. I hear ya Jump. it still sucks
- woodyBatts0
Like Goya's faceless army! Holy shit!